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Lady Gaga's LDS tour manager on standing alone in the industry

Alexis Sanders - March 23, 2011
source: LDS Living

Photo courtesy of David Ciemny.

David Ciemny, who formerly managed Lady Gaga's tour schedule, talks about remaining faithful in a difficult industry.

Ringo Starr knew him on a first-name basis, he carried Neil Diamond’s suitcases, he took the Dixie Chicks’ dogs to the vet, he was a runner for Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac and he was Lady Gaga’s tour manager.

It all started with a list: 42 things David Ciemny, age 14, was going to accomplish throughout his life. The inspiration to make this list came after hearing a fireside at which his bishop ingrained into him a lifelong philosophy: “Stand alone if you must, but stand.” Soon after, his bishop gave him a journal, emphasizing the importance of setting goals for his life.
     
His list included things like, “Be a tour manager for a world-famous pop star, travel to at least 50 countries, get married, have children and have a recording contract.” Today, Ciemny looks back on the past 20 years, over which he has checked off many ambitious goals from his list.
     
“It’s amazing when I look back on all those goals,” Ciemny said. “I literally accomplished so many of them that I never thought I would be able to. I’ve made it to 90 countries now. I’ve of course been married and have a gorgeous, gorgeous baby boy. I’ve got to work for world-famous pop stars.”
       
Most notable though was Ciemny’s stint as Lady Gaga’s tour manager during her rise from obscurity to stardom. He helped guide her through the critical stages of her career as he traveled by her side for nearly two years.
     
Throughout his time as a tour manager, Ciemny believes it was very much an embodiment of the philosophy of standing alone. “You know, we always talk about how you want to be in the world but not of the world. I think when you’re in that environment, you’re very much put through trials and tests. Whereas when you’re in your home … you control the content, the media, the music, the TV, the language that’s being spoken.”
     
According to Ciemny, his time in the industry really strengthened his testimony. Rather than trying to keep his religion a secret, people would call him the “Stormin’ Mormon” because he was always getting things done, and was always so motivated by his faith, work ethic, desire to be successful and his passion.
  
Ciemny started out his career by managing a friend’s band called Neve. From there, he became a singer for the techno-rock band 29Died, where he was able to release two albums in stores nationwide by age 20. His band was featured in Rolling Stone’s top 10, opened for Metallica, and was featured on various MTV show.
     
Within his industry, Ciemny earned himself the reputation as an honest and dependable person. Ciemny said integrity is rare in the entertainment industry, and when you say you’re LDS, it can carry a lot of weight.
     
“It’s interesting, the more … you’re honest, and you have a dependable work ethic, and you’re loyal, the more people recommend you.” This allowed him to start working with bigger stars—at first as a gopher running errands, all the way up until his time with Lady Gaga.
     
As he started to work with more famous people like Lady Gaga, Ciemny kept his philosophy of standing alone in mind. “What became important was to have [our] differences but to respect each other, and that’s really one of the most important things.”
     
Ciemny’s career with Lady Gaga ended with a very critical decision in 2009. He’d just had his first son, the tour schedule was booked all the way to 2011 and Lady Gaga was becoming increasingly popular. However, after speaking with his stake president—the same man who’d given him the journal many years before—he was counseled to quit. After a struggle to do what was right, the emotional chord that finally struck him was having to go two years without seeing his son.

“Certainly the Lord had a plan in store for me, and everything happens for a reason. I’m just so proud to say that I can go home every night to my little baby and be a part of his life, and be able to hold a calling now—which I couldn’t do before—and basically be there for my family and be that rock in the priesthood for my family that I should be.”
    
Now at age 35 and with more than half his list checked off, Ciemny said, “When I go back to that journal, it was unbelievable the kinds of things I had in foresight for myself. Not only that, but the kinds of accomplishments. That journal has really become the roadmap for my life.”
     
Today, Ciemny works in Calif. spending his time with his family and giving speaking engagements nationwide.

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necrosus said...

12:27 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I can't see how any LDS could work with that woman. He is to be admired for standing up for our values, but just being in her employment is working for the enemy.

bettymormon said...

02:47 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Thank you, dear author, for writing an article that didn't come close to being negative about the artist's personal views on homosexuals and their ultimate post-living destinations. I appreciate that DEEPLY as I have a brother and friends that are Gay. I am tired of watching the incessant hammer of sadness laid upon people who co-inhabit this side of the veil with loved ones who have this to bear. I just wish the commenter's were a little less judgmental, and a little more appreciative of a Man who stood backstage and made a living amidst people who didn't believe what he did. I worked in theaters for 16 years. I was backstage and it's NEVER Sodom and Gomorrah as many Gay people passed me by. It was WAY too busy with costume changes and sweaty makeup fixes. When the night was over, the most we ever did was eat at Denny's and go on our separate ways. (Denny's was pretty sketchy when I got teased for NOT ordering the coffee!) We can be IN the world, live among people who live this way just fine. Also: I admire Lady Gaga for working her BUTT off (literally, she used to be overweight) and using her time in the limelight to be standing up for what she believes in. Find us an LDS superstar with a sick dance beat... stat! (Other than Mitt Romney. LOL)

ontour said...

04:55 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I too work for a number of very well known artists/bands and are LDS. I totally understand the 'stand' that David would have had to make. It's funny as you stand alone many of these artists will step up to stand with you. Most of them fully respect someone who stands up for personal values and will even stand with you and support you in living your values. Lets face it most of them haven't made a name for themselves by not putting their neck out. I even had one guy who would organise his personal transport for me so I could get to church in what ever city and country we were in. The media doesn't paint a very inspiring picture of the entertainment industry and many of an artists values and their "image" that are portrayed publically are engineered. Many artists on a personal level are nothing like their public image. Some church members have expressed scepticism towards me and the career that I have chosen because of the public perception of the industry. It can be an extremely rewarding industry to work in and can provide many missionary opportunities. When guys like David stand alone the respect and influence can be far reaching.

busymom87 said...

08:11 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Thank you to Bettymormon,Ontour,of course the writer of this article, and David. I am truly inspired to continue to stand alone in my industry. It gets hard sometimes, a little lonely, but, we are not truly standing alone, we have others who are like us and we have our faith. It is nice to hear once in a while that there are others feeling the way we do. Seems like in the comments of some articles it gets very "one sided", and it is tiring. This was just what I needed today. Thank you.

diamondmusic said...

08:50 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I applaud David Ciemny for standing alone. I too work in the entertainment and music industry and have since I was a teenager. I was sometimes ostracized by some people at church for “working in the Devils industry”. It is possible to be in the world and still live your standards and be an example to others. In my case my occupation was partially responsible for a family joining the church when I was on my mission. I too have found that most people in the industry are respectful of you if you live your standards and are mutually respectful of them. They will watch out for you, make sure there are soft drinks for you, not smoke around you and not try to push their lifestyle or beliefs on you. As a matter of fact, they are curious about our beliefs and will often ask questions. As another poster mentioned, they will even go out of their way to enable you to attend church. I am sure that many in the industry have become better people by associating with those of us who are LDS and live our beliefs. Is this industry the right career for everyone? No. You must have a strong testimony and strong character and not be easily swayed by or tempted. You must stand as an example of righteousness at all times. As was stated by Bishop Glenn L. Pace, “…we cannot become the salt of the earth if we stay in one lump in the cultural halls of our beautiful meetinghouses.”

truepatriot76 said...

08:56 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I am not impressed at all. ...other than work ethic. However, work ethic in and of itself is only valient with the "good causes" part of being "anxiously engaged..." I say this because I DO NOT respect pop culture in the least. Wow. Some 'fun' songs growing up...dancing (maybe). I was more of a classical and jazz instrumentalist. So, perhaps my bias is due to that. However, broadening to the entertainment industry (not just music) I can say I see it, in general, as a tool much more for the adversary than for the Lord. (go ahead, debate this statement. I do know the arts have largely - in the past - been to glorify God. Pop culture, however, KILLS people. Literally. I'm just not impressed that anyone would waste their life investing in this industry. I think you might BARELY eek out an existence. But, by and large, STAY AWAY! That would be my advice. And, I wouldn't be surprised if David advises the same in 5-10 years. Then, again, he opened for Metallica. Not exactly an "honorable partner" for an edifying night of 'entertainment' if you're honest.

lovindarizonalife said...

09:35 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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My takeaway from this story was that he kept a goal journal and kept an eye on what he wanted to achieve in life. In this life where people, and our youth in general are easily distracted (squirrel), it is nice to have a story that demonstrates how someone did find a system to achieve all of their goals. I for one will be sharing this story with my teenagers. Looking back I wish I would have had someone tell me to keep a goal journal since 10/20/30 years pass by quickly and without life goals in mind you could potentially waste many years on things that don't really align themselves with what your goals are. If I would've had a goal journal that I consulted regularly I bet I would have achieved more things in my life. Thank you for sharing this story.

kim12 said...

09:48 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I'm sorry, the whole time reading this article, i did not think this was a man that was someone ot look up to in the least, just someone who seemed a bit self-serving. Yes, he accomplished his goals, but so did my husband, who served a mission, was sealed in the temple to me, has two beautiful children,and is a worthy priesthood holder in our home. Why not interview him? Well, duh, he didn't get coffee for Lady Gaga. Which is way more important than anything anyone else does. Unfortunately, that is the mindset of this day in age. Your nobody unless you are,work for/or with some "Hollywood" type. I can't believe he even considered leaving his family behind for 2 years to do his job, and had to be counseled by his Stake Pres. not to. That's not standing alone. And I wouldn't want to stand "alone." I prefer to stand with Christ, and my family. Anyways, i think in the future you should make sure to feature people that really give us someone to look up to. The commentor TruePatriot76 sounds like a cool person. ;)

kjpm said...

09:50 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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As I read these comments, I was struck with the lack of tolerance shown by somel people. "just being in her employment is working for the enemy"...Christ ate with publicans and sinners. Our work is to be like Him. It is hard to find moral people in every profession. I am proud of this man for setting goals, doing them , but also knowing when to find something else to do to provide for his family when it was time to do so. May we try to do as well in our own lives. I personally need to set more goals and try harder to do what is right.

truepatriot76 said...

10:00 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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my comment was deleted. wow. offensive? wish I made a copy. I basically stated I don't think the pop culture industry is worth 'our' investment. (2Ne9:51)

truepatriot76 said...

10:06 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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quick! delete! (that would make it 3X's)... LDSLiving, I would recommend getting to know your readership. You're deleting the wrong comments...and why?

cutelittlebird said...

10:25 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Alot of harsh judgement in some of these comments. I am in complete agreement with kjpm on this. Is it truly wrong for David to have worked with people that don't share the same morals or faith? You are going to find that in just about any place you work. He has set a great example for those that he worked with, rather than placing judgement on them...isn't that what we are supposed to be doing??

commonideal said...

10:39 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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It's hard to say that this article is inspirational. I read a story of a man, who when he was a teenager, wrote down some of the typical goals most teenage boys have, and maintained his ambitious teenage mindset into his thirties. Not to say I find this story to be one of a man and his immaturity, it's to say I find this story to be one of a man and his lack of willingness to change his worldly objectives according to his personal understanding of the world. There is nothing special about this article, except that them man finally made the right decision afeter his son was born, and after his stake president advised him to quit. If anything, we are to learn to listen to the guidence of our local leaders (so long as they are inspired by God, through the Holy Spirit). I totally agree with truepatriot76 and Kim12. For those who really want to know how bad the industry has become watch the 11 part youtube video called the music industry exposed to learn a bit. Or read anything on the history of Laural Canyon and the music of the sixties and seventies.

moman13 said...

11:04 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I find this so interesting as I went to high school and seminary with him. I knew he sang then but wow he has done a lot in his life.

bluegoby said...

11:09 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Boy Ive never chimed in on this board but I had to on this one. First of all yes I'm a professional musician and second yes its a difficult field to work in. I was going to make a comment similar to kjpm. If you were to go back in time and let say you were a disciple of Christ's and were doing his work you wouldn't always be in the place that "others" think you should be, you would be standing alone being a light. Well as we move forward in time it seems things haven't changed. We as members point fingers. Sad Sad. Sure there's filth in the music industry. But if you think it's the only one or the worst then you have your blinders on or you work in one of them. There are far more corrupt people in just your run of the mill type businesses that scare me worse because they are wolves in sheeps clothing. At least in the music industry you know what your dealing with. I can tell you this also there are people in that industry that are good people trying to do good things. Yes they drink, yes they smoke and do drugs, and other things that I cant chat about on this board. But none the less they can produce purely inspired music. Some of you may scoff at that but let me tell you what when you listen to Brahms or Mozart or who ever and you are inspired and you think they were not doing some off the above things you have been mislead. And if this were the case we might as well shut down the missionary program. I get so tired of us LDS folks pointing fingers saying this is garbage or that is when half the time they should be alittle more Christ like. Now don't get me wrong Im not saying listen to this or that its all OK, Im not. Im just saying it's not just the "pop industry" that has problems its all of them!!!! I commend this guy for making goals, sticking to them, working hard.(FYI this guy probably pulled more hours in the last fifteen years than most will do in a lifetime!!!) And as far as Lady Gaga who knows hopefully he had some influence on her for the better, and it may not show up for years, but for know if she only says he was a hard worker, he was honest and a good man, I trusted him, and I think he was a Mormon, well good for him and thats good enough for me.

notajudge said...

11:26 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Now I know why I struggle so hard with going to church sometimes. It seems not all members remember that we are not to judge others. Everyone seems to want to jump right up to mention negative things about this article, but not the positive. He was an example to many. Why is it that so many of you missed that? I see a "my wonderful husband wasn't interviewed when he did everything that good LDS are supposed to do", well my wasn't either. The point of the article was that this man shined in an atmosphere that was probable more difficult than that of my husband, living in suburbia, raising two boys. I have to get going now so that I can sweep my front porch instead of worrying about other people's front porches.

bluegoby said...

11:27 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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This is the 3rd time Ive tried to post but for some reason they all get deleted. I guess Im to upset. Let me ask you this should the stake president ask Mitt Romney to quit his Job!!!! NOOOOO!!!! Why not though I believe that industry has corrupted more people and is responsible for more than I wish to talk about here than any other industry. Why not you say because hopefully he's a good man trying to the right thing in an industry that he is talented in whether I believe he is or not! And trust me there are probably times he will "stand alone" Folks we work in the world regardless of what industry. There are people in the music industry that are good people trying to do good things. Yes they dont live the lifestyle we do not even close but some of them produce inspired music. You may laugh at that but if you think Brahms and Mozart or who ever inspires you dont forget they were probably living the same way. I admire this guy for setting goals ,working hard(this guy probably pulled more hours in the last 15 years then most do in a lifetime) and being a good person. As for who he worked for hopefully he left a good impression. Maybe she'll say he was a good worker, honest guy, I trusted him, he was faithful to his family and I think he was a Mormon. Well thats good enough for me. Good job I hope he has more opportunities in that field.

momofbron said...

11:29 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Oh please - some of you are so judgemental. This man set goals, achieved them, and when the time was right, he did the right thing and stayed home with his family. Good for you David! You were in a tough industry working with Lady Gaga - and you came through it with honor. Don't listen to the negative criticism here. Lady G can do as she pleases, but you stayed true. You get 10,000 attaboy's from me.

bluegoby said...

11:31 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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This is the 3rd time Ive tried to post but for some reason they all get deleted. I guess Im to upset. Let me ask you this should the stake president ask Mitt Romney to quit his Job!!!! NOOOOO!!!! Why not though I believe that industry has corrupted more people and is responsible for more than I wish to talk about here than any other industry. Why not you say because hopefully he's a good man trying to the right thing in an industry that he is talented in whether I believe he is or not! And trust me there are probably times he will "stand alone" Folks we work in the world regardless of what industry. There are people in the music industry that are good people trying to do good things. Yes they dont live the lifestyle we do not even close but some of them produce inspired music. You may laugh at that but if you think Brahms and Mozart or who ever inspires you dont forget they were probably living the same way. I admire this guy for setting goals ,working hard(this guy probably pulled more hours in the last 15 years then most do in a lifetime) and being a good person. As for who he worked for hopefully he left a good impression. Maybe she'll say he was a good worker, honest guy, I trusted him, he was faithful to his family and I think he was a Mormon. Well thats good enough for me. Good job I hope he has more opportunities in that field.

hiccups said...

11:39 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I find myself scratching my head over the purpose of this story. Like most of us, Ciemny stood in the world, but not of the world. His story is noteworthy because he did it next to famous persons? And of all famous persons one who is working so hard against the stance of the Church? I doubt that Ciemny's bishop meant his “Stand alone if you must, but stand” statement as a challenge, but Ciemny seemed to take it as one. I don't condemn him at all for this, but I don't think it justifies holding him up as an example either.

nofencesitter said...

11:46 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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It is commendable that the journal was kept, goals were set, and work ethic is involved....but the scriptures clearly state that we cannot choose both sides, we have to be on ONE side or the OTHER. Just by being the manager of Lady Gaga and PROMOTING the things she stands for, the lyrics in her songs, and the type of lifestyle she portrays, is totally against what we are told we should do. For any person to promote ideas that are clearly against the church or the Lord, which has clearly led millions of people to be introduced to that kind of lifestyle, etc, and then suggest that they themselves have clean hands, is being a fence sitter. It would be no different than owning a bar, or an adult novelty store and then saying, "well, because I don't drink, it is okay to serve it to others, regardless of the harm it may cause...or because I don't look at pornography, it is okay to sell or distribute that type of material to others, regardless of the harm it may cause". Being a representative to something or someone that is clearly against what the Lord would stand for, is the same type of thing. I am glad David gave up that lifestyle...I wonder why it took him going to his Stake President to know if it was right or wrong.

nofencesitter said...

11:47 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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By the way, it isn't judging "others", but their actions can clearly be judged by the specifics of the gospel, and the standards that are set.

lulupop said...

11:50 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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This is the first time I have ever left a comment on a message board, but after reading the rude, judgmental comments that have been made I could not hold back. Why would people put one another down? Whether they share the same faith or not? We are taught not to judge, we are taught to be examples, we are asked to be missionaries and most of all to cheer each other on through this life of trials and tribulation. The bottom line is that David did those things, he stood up for his beliefs and values. He is a positive example for non members as well as members, and I'm sure left a lasting impression on many he worked with along the way. I think David has been a wonderful example to many inside and outside the church!

ken_h said...

11:59 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Great job David. To those who were negative in their posts and think that David was serving the enemy by being associated with that industry I would like to say-"pull your head out of your fourth point of contact!!" I am LDS- not devout because of people like you. Far too often I have seen returning missionaries desecrate the meaning of being a missionary. 22 years ago I left SLC for Basic training, I was part of a 12 man group shipping out that day. 4 of the group were former missionaries. During Basic there was 1 soldier (not LDS) that wanted to be a chaplains assistant, he wasn't a great soldier, often screwed up and got into trouble. He asked to go to Church with me on Sunday, I invited him. Sunday rolls around and I remind him about going with me- his answer to me---Private "Great and Exhalted returned Missionary said I wasn't welcome in the Mormon Church" I made sure that this not quite perfect soldier did in fact feel welcome and he did atend as MY guest and friend. By the end of Basic Training I had the great priviledge and honor of being there for this soldiers baptism by TRUE LDS Missionaries. To everyone that is LDS I ask you to remember the sign that is on EVERY LDS Church, Stake Center and Temple Grounds Gate "VISITORS WELCOME". Those visitors don't just show up, they have had some kind of contact from someone who is LDS and THAT contact left an impression on them. The battle between God and Satan will NOT be won hiding inside the walls of a Church. The battlefield is outside, among the masses that are desperately looking for some one to extend an arm and and help pull them onto the path of God. I am a soldier I am proud to serve my God, my Country and my family. TRUEPARTIOT76 I think you need a new screen name.

youmadethat said...

11:59 AM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I so agree with lulupop above. If we are to be Christ like shouldn't we support one another instead of find fault. Technology has given too many people the boldness to say things they would never say in person.

klou said...

12:00 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Wow . . . there are some great comments as well as some judgmental ones (as lulupop has mentioned)! We each have a purpose to fulfill in our individual lives and who is the judge of that? Ourselves and our Savior. Why would Ammon choose to go live with those "blood-thirsty" people?! He needed to be there to teach them and love them and encourage them to do good. We need to be around those people in all aspects of life that could use our guidance and encouragement where we can be an example through our righteous choices. We should commend ALL people that are living righteous examples . . . whatever career choices and wherever they are. The joys of the gospel need to be spread by all and to all - not just a select few.

truepatriot76 said...

01:25 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Wow, “ken_h” You seem to be commenting more on how to be judgmental rather than the merits or content of this article – being ‘faithful’ amidst a challenging pop culture industry. (I agree with a lot of what you said, though I do NOT need a new screen name. Not sure why you'd suggest that.) “nofencesitter” said it well, that judging others is different than judging the situation, etc. I’ll add that ‘we’ (assuming my comments are part of those who have been judged to be judgmental – kind of interesting to consider, don’t you think?) are ‘judging’ an industry MORE than an individual in this case. And, not only are we judging an industry we’re giving our recommendation that putting ourselves in harms way or being part of an industry or entertainer’s business which promotes something (content, lyrics, an entertainer’s example to all who see and hear it, etc.) is very questionable and would not be recommended to say the least. . . . . . . . We all judge by our experience. And, hopefully, we can gain in a positive way from each other’s experience...again, hopefully not through offending each other (being contentious), but rather giving each other the benefit of the doubt, first, and trying to consider one another’s thoughts. That is the sincere desire of my heart. I am hopeful of this...and I know we can if we’re careful...both in posting and judging each other’s postings. (Electronic communication sometimes makes this difficult and easy at the same time.). . . . . . . Let all that alone, I’ll be clear about my judgment. I chose NOT to remain in a music profession b/c I did not feel our society supports the art I enjoy sufficiently and I didn’t want to have to settle for less sustainable employment which would cause me to go from place to place which would harm my future family. It’s challenging. I love the arts. ... ... Now, to comment on different types of industry, “nofencesitter” is right. How could anyone promote content which is in clear opposition to the Lord? Pornography? Morally deplete pop culture? Gambling? Alcohol? Etc. ... ... I know of a family who sold their liquor store after accepting the gospel. It wasn’t easy. I know of a Catholic priest who had to find a new job after his conversion. It wasn’t easy. ... Really, if you give the commenters (who ‘seem’ critical) about this article the benefit of the doubt, you might be able to open your minds to the merit of their comments, that the this industry is a real enemy (and other pursuits such as...) ...and those who lead and manage and promote it are very much in question. Sometimes, we get involved. But, in the end, we strive for more (...that divine discontent Elder Maxwell spoke of)....like David Ciemny. I’m glad he made that decision to stay with his family.

globetrecker said...

01:34 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Although it is nice to have an article about an LDS person who stands up with his beliefs (wonderful!) I cannot believe that Lady Gaga is in the title and thus bringing attention to this disgusting and vile entertainer. There are few, if any, in the entertainment world who are more harmful and destructive to our families than this entertainer. If you knew anything about her or her music and lyrics, you would not be so quick to put her in a title for an LDS magazine. I am disappointed at the writer's lack of understanding and using the title to gain readers.

truepatriot76 said...

01:39 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Globetrecker, EXCELLENT point!

kim12 said...

02:25 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I just love how some commentors(probably myself included) are considered judgemental for saying what we think about the article. Isn't that why we are able to comment? Because the want our opinions? Well, we have all said ours.I totally agree with globetrecker on this one. Lady Gaga is not someone to be looked at as an upstanding human or who can be someone our children look up to. Just like I would not work for a beer company, or tobacco company. I wouldn't support that type of business, and that's what these musicians are, just "business." I liked an above comment that said so many of these musicians and stars are branded to look a certain way, but in "real life" are totally different. Well, okay, when I am behind closed doors,I am a drug addict, and when I am in front of others, I pretend to be perfect. That wouldn't be okay, now would it?

ubc said...

03:38 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I'm sure David,at 14 years of age,when he made his list of 42 things he wanted to accomplish, made a conscience effort to realize that he would either be working with immoral people or for shady people, no I'll bet he didn't even think of those things when he made his goals. However once "in" that environment realized that he would "stand alone". I'll bet just like Donnie & Marie or Randy Bauchman, or any number of good LDS musicians out there. Good for you David, you are a shining example of your faith. I hope in your new job you are amoung sinners as well. I would much rather have you out there as who we as Mormon people are, rather than some of these commentors. As for this whole "judging" thing that is going on here? Wow, I'm just glad I will not be judged by any of the negative people that are commenting here. How's that for judging? Now I have to go wash my own mouth out for judging you judgemental people.lol.

notajudge said...

03:55 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Wow, so much judgement. For those of you who say that you are not judging, or tha t your feelings are judging the situation, not the person, I'd like you to share your feelings with your bishop and see if he agrees that you are not being judgemental. I agree that the battles will not be in church, but out in the real world. Why would we have so many missionaries in so many areas if all we are supposed to do is hang around with those that share our beliefs? When my boys ask me about Lady Gaga, I share with them her good qualities, like accepting people for who they are, and loving each other. The charitable contributions she makes, and how many people she has helped. I do also share some of the choices that she has made that I feel are in disagreement with my beliefs. I show my children both sides, and explain both sides. I also tell them how much I hope that they will share my beliefs when they grow up. I still believe in free agency. I give my children the whole story, and hope they choose wisely. For those of you who are so judgemental, I'd like to see how your children turn out. I think mine will grow up loving and helping everyone, you know, kind of like the Savior said.

bettymormon said...

05:16 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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I am saddened that my comment is "missing". Let me state again, I appreciate that the main article is delightfully neutral. Because some of the comments make me ill with their judgmental seething. Please notify me when Christ is giving out "Free to Judge, Matthew 7, you say? LOL J/K." cards so that I may jump in and dish out a hearty serving too! Here's to hoping the comment I took my time to write and spill my heart out on reappears! *raises a Sprite* -BettyMormon

high_techie said...

05:28 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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As an event engineer myself, my talent chooses my career path. Since most church jobs are filled forces me to work with the sinners. Oh yeah forgot- that’s all of us! Work with ‘these’ people in love brings some pretty extraordinary relationships. I’ll leave the judging to the passing…

notajudge said...

05:32 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Bettymormon, I read your earlier blog about your brother. While I don't have any family members that are gay, I love Lady Gaga's message about loving and accepting everyone. When we received the message about the church's stand on prop 8, I had a very long discussion with my boys, who are 9 and 13. I told them that I feel that ALL MEN are created equal, and that ALL MEN should be given the same rights. My religious beliefs are just that, MY beliefs. I believe that I am to excercise my free agency, and try to get back to my Heavenly Father. I am doing that, and trying to teach my boys the same thing. I admire David for what he accomplished, and for the decisions he made for himself and his family. I'm sure that he shared his light with others, and received other peoples light while working in that industry. It's great to know that there are people around like David, you, and Lady Gaga.

high_techie said...

06:00 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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As an event engineer myself, my talent chooses my career path. Since most church jobs are filled forces me to work with the sinners. Oh yeah forgot- that’s all of us! Work with ‘these’ people in love brings some pretty extraordinary relationships.

high_techie said...

06:00 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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As an event engineer myself, my talent chooses my career path. Since most church jobs are filled forces me to work with the sinners. Oh yeah forgot- that’s all of us! Work with ‘these’ people in love brings some pretty extraordinary relationships.

danreys said...

07:36 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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he was working for the lord not the enemy we should all be out there in the world and not of it as he said stand alone when you have to. Stand together in faith when you need to the Lord is our guide.

gr8ful said...

07:38 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Thank you to David, the author, bluegoby and ken_h! Growing up in the church we are always reminded that we are all missionaries (not just those that go on a mission). What if as the "Stormin' Mormon" David planted a seed in Lady Gaga or anyone else he came in contact with on the tour? Thank goodness for the gift of repentance that our Elder Brother made possible and the Gospel that bonds each and every one of us (even if we have differing opinions)! We are all important to our Heavenly Father and this was David's opportunity.

afc583 said...

11:39 PM
on Mar 23, 2011

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Dear truepatriot76 & Kim12, You are the sole reason for many inactive members such as myself.

kris-t said...

12:34 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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I have never done this but after reading this article, and reading the first couple comments, I couldn't let it go. Right after I finished reading all the comments, we were getting ready to have family prayer and scripture reading. My son sat down next to me and started singing the song, I'm trying to be like Jesus, which says: I'm trying to be like Jesus, I'm following in His ways, I'm trying to love as He did, in all that I do and say, at times I am tempted to make a wrong choice, but I try to listen as the still small voice whispers, love one another as Jesus loves you, try to show kindness in all that you do, be gentle and loving in deed and in thought, for these are the things Jesus taught. I have to say I couldn't believe some of the comments. Some say they aren't judging the individual just the industry. I'm sorry to say but either way, it is judging which we are taught no to do. "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone." We aren't perfect by any means but the entertainment industry is a huge part of our lives. It's full of millions of people, Millions of Gods children! How can we turn our back on them just because of their career. Many of them don't know where they are going or who they are. How are they supposed to find out if we turn our backs on them? That's like saying that we should keep missionaries out of certain areas of the world because they are dangerous, corrupted, evil etc. But Christ wants us to reach all areas of the world regardless and missionaries are sometimes killed out in the field. But that doesn't stop them. I'm sure David didn't think twice about leaving his family, I'm sure he didn't want to but that was his career. His way of supporting them, he had to think about what it would do if he quit it. So why would it be so wrong to get counsel/advice from his president. Plus we have no idea what his actual duties were while working with lady gaga. I'm sure being the tour manager didn't mean he was endorsing or agreed with everything she did. Thats what her actual Manager is for. He just managed the tour. And the comment about him leaving his family, well we do what we have to do. She we not have anyone in the military because they have to leave their families for extended periods of time. I'm sure they don't want to. Heck, maybe we shouldn't send missionaries away for two years anymore. I'm just saying you really need to think about what your reading and how you feel about it before sending your opinion out to everyone. Thanks for reading!

kalspa55 said...

04:52 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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I am amazed at some of the comments and how judgemental some people have become. My Father worked in the entertainment business as well as serving as the Branch President, District Counselor and many positions. He was careful on where he performed but was a great performer. He was strictly obedient to the commandments. He was known to have said things like: " If that cigarette or beer is what are friendship is based on, then we don't have much of a friendship do we?" Still he was crotisized for playing his music in smoke filled entertainment halls. Some people judged him as one who was not so spiritual but I have inherited his scriptures after he passed away. There wasn't a page unread, unturned, marked and referenced of all of the standard works from cover to cover. Moreover, not a month went by that he did not do his hometeaching and 3 of us children served honorable fulltime missions and even more have been sealed in the temple....At his funeral, hundreds attended his funeral and viewing...the life of entertainment is difficult but if you keep the faith it is rewarding

commonideal said...

07:25 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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Looks like David is quoted in a biography about Lady Gaga. Anyway, found this: "In the book, David dishes about Gaga’s strange manner of being, describing that she even established interesting relations with Ciemny’s wife, Ange. David’s wife recalls Lady texting her: 'I miss you, Ange, can you come back?' And Ange says of their tight relationship, 'We literally would do our make-up together every morning and get ready for bed together at night.” What the!? Then there's this: "Gaga’s busy love life is proof of a secret lingering pain, Callahan writes: 'Her brash persona hides the fact that she is terrified of being alone. After a 2009 breakup with stylist Matthew “Dada” Williams, she even hired Angela [her ex manager David Ciemny's wife] tp accompany her on the road - and to sleep in bed at night! She was tell me… ‘Ok, Ange, you and Dave can go in the back of the bus from 10 o’clock to midnight,” Angela says. But then it was back to cuddling with Gaga, even if they were staying at a hotel. I would say, ‘Gaga, I have a husband to go home to. I’ll be in the room next door.’ And she’d call and text me: ‘I miss you, Ange, can you come back?’… So I would. We literally… would do our makeup together every morning and get ready for bed together at night, Angela says. And they’d even shower together to save prep time! But despite that closeness, Gaga was still Angela’s boss, and she often caught heat for simple mistakes. When she was slammed for accidentally bringing a pair of used nylons to an appearance, Angela says, it was the last straw. She quit. According to her husband, David, Angela was one of the lucky ones. In his 18-month tenure with Gaga, Ciemny says, he watched her fire more than 150 people. 'Everything had to be perfect,' he says, and when it wasn’t, someone had to go." Are we still going to applaud this man!? Allowing his wife to sleep and shower with this woman?! All so he could keep his job?! This made him one of the lucky ones, one of the 150 that didn't get fired?! Are we still going to applaud this stuff and say this is a good example of an LDS member standing alone and doing what is right? BTW, please keep your let's-not-be-judgmental comments to yourself. Don't try to shame people into silence with your false sense of Christianity and your narrow interpretations of what it means to love one another and not pass unrighteous judgment. Our savior also vehemently opposed wickedness, and was vary outspoken against it. And still is.

notajudge said...

07:41 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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Wow commonideal, you are lucky to have never had to do something you didn't want to to keep your job. I can tell you, my husband has, and so have I. My husband also councels me to not get upset at church when there are children in the pew behind me, pulling on my shoes, my pantyhose, throwing cheerios under my feet, and taking my purse. It seems he doesn't want me to make a scene in church. What I'd like to do is get up, turn around, and explain to those parents that their children are disrupting my spiritual growth, and throwing garbage around the house of the Lord. My husbands thoughts on that are in agreement with mine, but he feels that if we had to make that statement to one family at church, we'd have to make it to many, and he feels that while some people would jump up and cheer, that some would be angred by it, and that in the long run, it wouldn't be worth it. Some times I follow his counsel, sometimes I don't. I hear it, but then make my own decision. Just like his wife did. When it no longer made her happy, she quit. That happens in many jobs. People have to feed their families. Just like people in politics, working on wall street, working in the television business, pretty much anywhere. You have your line that you are not willing to cross. How strong they work to not cross that line. We must have different Saviors, mine can vehemently oppose wickedness, but over and over again, he tells me it is his place to judge. My bishop has assured me that I will not get into the celestial kingdom if I don't forgive my dead father for my childhood. He has counceled me over and over again, and have read me every scripture that tells me it is not my place to judge. I'm going to stick with the scriptures and what they say, rather than listen to people on blogs and how they interpret the words. I feel my bishop has a better handle on them.

diamondmusic said...

08:22 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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Wow a lot of judging going on here. For everyone saying that you shouldn't work in an industry with sinners or sell things like tabacco and beer and such. I guess you can tell the same to every sales person who goes to a meeting were alcohol is served. Tell that to anyone who has ever served in the Military. Tell that to anyone who has worked in the political arena. (Like LDS Sen. Crapo from Idaho who is sponsoring a bill to extend tax breaks to small breweries.) Tell that to every LDS resturant owner who sells coffee. Tell it to every LDS grocery and conviniance store owner. (Like the one in my old ward who always makes sure that returned missionaries have a job.) Tell it to Brother Marriott. You know, the one who has a building at BYU named after him. The same one, where if you stay at one of his hotels, you can order porn right on the TV. As I said before, I have worked in the entertainment industry since I was a teenager. I still went on a mission, married in the temple, do my home teaching every month and every other calling I have ever had. No one has ever interviewed me about that either. But I have talked about the church to many in the industry, some famous, most the worker bees like me. Some have become better people because of LDS people like me who don't shun them, but instead share with them and be examples for them.

yellowmonkey said...

10:35 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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my brothers and sisters... let us not judge. It is interesting how quickly we "assume" based on our perceptions (stories). This story bares a good message.... dont let the world take over! Its just one more positive example, thats all... 13th article of faith... and yes be a peculiar people, and in doing so we may just affect someone for the good. There will be many silent heros...... and they get it!

idahogirl101 said...

11:52 AM
on Mar 24, 2011

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AMAZING! I thought about the comments left here all night last night... It saddens me to see how many negative, critical and judgmental comments there are. I admire this guy for standing up for what he believes in the midst of "the world" ... Who knows I am sure he did some great missionary work by doing that.. Maybe someone will explore the church because of the example he set. Let me ask you this ...... Did Jesus spend his time with the "so called religious" people when he was here or did he spend time with the whores, thieves and downtrodden...? Intact some of the comments left here remind me of those "so called religious" people of the old days, who turned out so be some of the most wicked people on the Earth. It is narrow minded, holier than thou people who drive members away, and make people not want to explore the church..... Think about that next time you are sitting on you high horse....

3goldensmom said...

01:35 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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By and large,I am disappointed in many of the negative comments about David. I don't believe it is our place to question where he is at on the straight and narrow path, we are all on that path somewhere. Personally, I am happy to see the many places that righteousness can manifest itself. It's nice to see chosen people in all walks of life! Kudos!

goatie said...

05:22 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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I cannot believe such attitudes and thoughts exist among members of our Church. Would you EVER say those things to Mr. Ciemny's face? Then why would you say them here? Some of these comments are hurtful and unkind. Some of you, who perceive yourselves to be so refined and righteous, are actually very shallow and short-sighted. YOU are the people who scare me the most! (communists!)

kris-t said...

06:36 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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I left a comment last night that seems to have been deleted. Whether you are judging the person or the industry, it is still judging. It's not our place, but it is our place to be in every part of the world to help bring more people into the church. So you are saying that we should turn our backs on these people because of the career they chose? They are still GOD"S children, just like you and I. They, in God's eyes, deserve a chance just like everyone else. So if we should stay away from them, then maybe we should include the political industry, other countries that are dangerous, evil and against our religion where our missionaries are serving, etc. We are taught to love one another no matter what. Would you speak your opinions like these in front of Christ? I hope not. Christ is the one and only one who has the power to judge. We should try to keep it that way. I don't know of any LDS member that likes the fact that our religion is so persecuted by others, and yet you don't think twice about persecuting others in the entertainment industry. Does that make you better than them? No. We are supposed to stand above it all. Stand for truth and righteousness. Not just where we think it should and shouldn't be.

joybug said...

09:05 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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What an uplifting article I get the point! Now I must get out my old list...refine and do! The lord knows our hearts :) Good on ya David!

davidciemny said...

10:02 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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Hi Everyone! First off, thank you for ALL of your comments. I was blown away to see 52 comments (that's more than the 42 goals I had set for myself after that fireside with Bishop Southwell when I was 14!). I felt compelled to let you know there is truth in all your words. One thing is for certain: like it or not, we as Latter-Day Saints are ALL onstage in this life. We are being watched and judged at all times. Only He will truly know the impact that you may have had or will have on someone through always living the Truth. I know my wife and I had an impact on Gaga. I could list the ways but would not in a public discourse. While I won't address all the negative comments I would like to say that my wife and Gaga were like sisters. Also, don't believe everything you read (including interviews in national best sellers). Finally, for those fellow road warriors who understand what it's like to live out of a suitcase for years at a time, it's not easy. He never said it would be easy, He said it would be worth it! So don't read too much into this article...pretty simple: work hard, set goals, be true to yourself and others, don't judge lest ye be judged, stand alone if you must but stand...and let's all love each other ok? Lexi thank you so much for your kind spirit over the phone on this interview and for writing a great piece. David J. Ciemny

gallau9516 said...

10:36 PM
on Mar 24, 2011

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I think that Lady Gaga is more Christian than most of the people who read this article. It doesn't matter how anyone decides to live their life, who they work for, or what they do. Do with your life, work for who you want, seek guidance from who you want, rely on yourself, and stop judging those who are different. I was at the Lady Gaga concert here in SLC this past week and it was very good! To have someone stand up and stay that it doesn't matter who we are, to love everyone, and then to have that love everywhere. No one can deny that we need to accept differences. So, way to go David! Make your choices and those who are reading, make your own choices and don't judge those who make different choices than you.

notajudge said...

07:29 AM
on Mar 25, 2011

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David, You are a wonderful example to my two boys. I appreciate your openmindedness, and try to teach my boys the same. There was a time I wouldn't have even given Lady Gaga's music the time of day. I was a bit closeminded when I first had my boys. I'm happy to say that through Glee, my boys got to hear Gaga, liked it, and fell in love with Idina Menzel through all of that. That lead us to see the Cincinnati Pops with Idina Menzel as the guest. They have a love of music now that I am thrilled with. We sing Gaga together in the car, along with Primary songs. I'm glad you and your wife saw her the way the Savior did, as a human being that needed friends and examples. I'm sure he put you there for a reason. Take care and enjoy your new family. It's a real game changer!!

gallau9516 said...

10:09 AM
on Mar 25, 2011

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Hey.. all you lovely people.. all you have to do is Google this guys name and he is not so innocent. He was fired from his job with Lady Gaga and has written an unauthorized book about her for money! Did his Bishop tell him do to that?

montanamom said...

10:40 AM
on Mar 25, 2011

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First, let me say that there are many of you who have posted comments that need to take some personal reflection time and remember why you clicked to read the article in the first place. What drew you in? Be honest! Second, I would not have posted if David had not made a comment himself. Thank you, David. My first thought after reading this article was that I needed to show it to my teenage son. He had decided to pursue a career in the music industry. He needs to read about your goal setting. He will be impacted by your example. He is an amazing young man who has “stood alone” a lot in a high school of few LDS kids. However, he has managed to garner respect and is also frequently referred to as “stormin’ mormon”. By the way, for those commenters who believe that Satan’s cesspool is the entertainment industry, I would invite you to spend some time in your local high school (yes, even in Utah). People of character and values, with a true testimony of Christ, can stand (even alone) wherever and be a light. Thank you for your example, David.

thymesavour said...

10:53 AM
on Mar 25, 2011

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We all have our chosen professions - or we somehow fell into them. It's true strength of character if we can continue to stay true to ourselves and what we believe in, no matter what the profession we choose. I'm guessing it might be somewhat difficult to be serving in the armed forces and be LDS - for some people. I'm certain that the Osmonds brought many people to investigate the gospel. At the very least I'm betting that even Lady Gaga has respect for David and what he stands for. Who knows, someday she might compare what she has to what he has and is and decide to investigate the church. Stranger things have happened. We should never underestimate the power of Heavenly Father. We are all just instruments in His hands.

davidciemny said...

11:55 AM
on Mar 25, 2011

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Wow, Gallau such slander! I would never feel compelled to defend my integrity and credibility but since you went there I will on behalf of the good readers of LDS Living and my Brothers and Sisters in faith. First off, thanks for your 15 seconds of google research on me but you are misinformed. I would encourage you to give us all your name in this public forum so we may troll the Internet for fodder on you. I never wrote a book on Gaga or anyone else. Nor was I ever paid one penny for my interview with Disney books (Hyperion). The quotes they ended up using of mine and my wife were taken out of context (to sell books of course). Ironically it one of my goals one day to write a book on something! To your second misinformed point, I was never fired from Gaga I left voluntarily after the birth of my son. In her good graces she kept me on full payroll until my departure (and showered us with expensive baby gifts the folks in my ward can vouch for). In closing I will leave all of you with three quotes from Gaga that she gave me in letters. For those who may doubt my credibility I will gladly post them on my website when completed in a couple weeks (DavidCiemny.com) 1 "David, this cover (Rolling Stone) is as much yours as it is mine" 2 "David I could have never done this without you. I love you, Gaga" 3 "David, you are always on my team. Tell Ang and Heston I love them ". Thank you all again for your comments and I am honored ini have even helped have a positive influence on just one person. Thank you.

simpletoon said...

01:46 PM
on Mar 25, 2011

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Like some of you earlier posters, I work in the industry. I also grew up in Las Vegas where we have a very large and active LDS population who also work in all aspects of the entertainment industry. I, too, am frustrated by such negativity and ignorant character judgments from some members of the church. I can only surmise that these finger-pointers project their own misguided ideas and points-of-view as irrational facts. One need only look at Glenn Beck.

kbjockey said...

03:46 PM
on Mar 25, 2011

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Just one comment on "Standing alone". Anytime David or anyone, including non LDS, stand for the values taught by Christ, there are always, ALWAYS, three that stand with them: The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. When we stand with them we never stand alone.

kbjockey said...

03:55 PM
on Mar 25, 2011

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@Simpletoon Ideas and points-of-view may be irrational but facts are never irrational.

strivin4ever said...

04:10 PM
on Mar 25, 2011

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We might not ever know the lives we have touched, by the actions we take on a daily basis. From some of these comments on this article, that you folks need to take a good look at your own selves and the impression you are leaving on those you come in contact with. I enjoyed this uplifting article. Thanks for sharing!

laieboyhi said...

04:11 PM
on Mar 25, 2011

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afc583...I would really like to believe that you are not blaming ignorant comments others make for being inactive in the church, You know very well that this church it true and perfect and we as members are not. I've only been a new member for a year and I work in the entertainment industry, We shouldn't close ourself off from people based on not wanting to seem like we are agreeing with what the media puts out these days, I have found numerous missionary moments during downtime to clear up any misconceptions non members had about the church and I'm sure that David in one way or another did that very same thing. Our church leaders tell us to be an example to people how can we when we judge one another. Let's progress and share with those what we have all come to know as true not dismiss missionary opportunities

comormon said...

05:53 PM
on Mar 27, 2011

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Im confused-what really happened? I believe you, David. Im proud of you for standing for what you believe in, and I think all the rude people who go rattling about serving Satan need to take a chill pill. After all, what industry do we not have to represent ourselves in if we work there? Think about that.

comormon said...

05:59 PM
on Mar 27, 2011

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To those of you who wrote those disgusting, unthinkable things, that you made up or otherwise gathered from inappropriate, unreliable sources, that was nasty and I am appalled at you for saying those evil nasty disgusting things. Please be more thoughtful, in a good way, in the future. Remember that no matter how an individual looks, dresses, or acts, they may actually have something good deep down inside them. Thanks.

monamormon said...

07:40 PM
on Mar 27, 2011

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This man is not standing for anything related to our roots in the true Church of Jesus Christ... That isn't my opinion either. It's a fact. Yes, I agree with those who say Christ befriended sinners. After he set the perfect example of love and compassion he commanded them to go and sin no more, when they decided by his perfect example to follow him, they THEN became his friends and they followed his examples and taught others as well in some instances. This is someone who is chosing to NOT ONLY PROMOTE a very poor example for young women to emulate, but also to OBTAIN FINANCIAL GAIN from that poor example. I am appalled that these sorts of stories find a way into this LDS Living publication! If this gentleman stood for anything righteous, he would choose to help those who are leaving some sort of positive mark on the world as their legacy. Not some woman anyone with decency, (not even neccessarily Christian) who wished their lasting legacy to the world to be a message of something wholesome, not whoresome! I am NOT saying Lady Gaga ought to be counted as worthless as a human being, but come on, folks... Is the river of filth running through Zion real... or are we going to continue to perpetuate the "all is well in Zion" phenomenon and then blasphemously call it being kind as Christ would have been? Christ had the wisdom and the courage to know the difference in peoples' hearts and minds. Had Mary Magdalene met Christ, (who knew she was truly repentant) experienced his compassion, and heard the command to sin no more only to go back to adultery, she would not have been his friend, but one he would have chided for knowing the truth and blindly turning away from it, as the Pharisees and Scribes did. The arguement is over when you just say this man doesn't just accept her behavior as good enough to TOLERATE, but good enough to PROMOTE... ??? His daughter or future daughter might just follow that example one day, and how would he ever convince her that her behavior is inappropriate? I pray he repents and never has to answer for it! Thanks for your time!

jaymelrios said...

03:24 PM
on Mar 29, 2011

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I am a fairly recent convert to the church, In my 20s currently working in the "industry" I am shocked at the negativity and judgement that I have read in some of these posts... Why don't people get off of their high horses and focus on their own life and the issues that come along with it. Sometimes it really bothers me that the "lifers" within in the church are so quick to cast stones

elranchobob said...

03:48 PM
on Mar 29, 2011

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Very interesting responses from everyone. Just remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God, even Lady Gaga's soul is precious to Him. I work in a profession where I come in contact with many lost and unsavory souls. I'm in Law Enforcement, for over 26 years now. Who knows what impact that this young man may have had on Miss Gaga. She may not be looking now (obviously) but some day she may be looking for salvation. The example of this young man obviously made an impression on her. Who knows where that might lead? There have been many lost souls who were found because of the good example of a church member they once knew. Let's not be so quick to judge this man. He was living his life as he saw best. That is not for us to judge. We should all do less judging and more loving. I applaud this young man for being in a very soul searing industry and coming out stronger because he did not succumb to temptation. It has been a 26+ year struggle for me but I wouldn't change it for anything. It has made me stronger in the church than I ever thought possible.

melanieg said...

12:45 AM
on Apr 04, 2011

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I have never left a comment in my life I hope it doesn't get erased. I have a feeling the people making negative comments are long time members that don't live very far outside the comforts of a lrg LDS population. I live way out in the mission field where we live in small branches and our kids have no choice but to be in the world. I have spent the past hr reading reviews on the new BofM broadway show. I gotta tell u a lot of the comments made about us and our church sounded very similar to what you LDS people are hurling about David. we live in a world here where we are the outcasts,and other churches hold antiMormon meetings. We live different lives than you in ZION. Recently our family was attacked in our home by 2 young men with machetes who hacked up my 10 yr old and my husband,because my son got into the wrong crowd at school because it is soooo hard to fit in as a Mormon here. I have nonmember friends who moved to Utah and were treated there as we r here. Their boys were not accepted by Mormons because they could be a bad influence. How can we ever expect the world to accept us, if we throw judgements of others the way they do at us

mormonhippie said...

11:51 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I admire this guy for persuing his dreams, and for having the strength to give it up. We need to have a greater (positive) impact on the entertainment industry.

sofloridagirl said...

09:59 AM
on May 24, 2011

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wowza! thanks for the lunch entertainment from all of your comments!

mamacash said...

11:31 AM
on Jun 30, 2011

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Wow! I am amazed and sad all at the same time. I totally appreciated this article and found it inspiring - hats off to you David! A man with goals (who accomplished many of them), who allowed himself to be a light in a dark world, and who withstood the constant barrage of temptation and degradation! It's not the ideal environment but if we all avoided the not-so-ideal we would never be able to be an influence on those around us. What makes me sad is that many of the negative comments seem to be so critical. I think it's far better and more uplifting to find the good in people and their circumstances than it is to speak with a critical tongue. We may feel that we couldn't do what David did, or we wouldn't want to be around that kind of industry, but there are lessons to be learned that are good...even in this story. We would do well to find the good and apply it in our own lives rather than tear someone else down because we don't agree with their lifestyle or choices. Thank you LDS Living for sharing this story and to you, David, for being a shining light!

tam.i.am said...

09:43 PM
on Nov 13, 2011

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monamormon, I just want you to ask you one thing: Where is your scriptural proof that the woman taken before Christ was Mary Magdalene? Oh... that's right. There is no proof, because we do not know who the woman was. We just know that she was an adulteress woman. What you are sharing erroneously is something that has been taught by the Catholic Church. They don't have any scriptural proof either, it is just something that has been traditionally taught through the years. I know because I am a former Catholic. And just for the record, I've never found more judgmental people anywhere than in the LDS faith. Sorry to say it, but in my experience, as well as other family and friends, it is true. All I can say is thank goodness I have a testimony and know that the LDS church has the fullness of the gospel. Just being in the church I have found one needs to often "stand alone"!

kitkat said...

02:52 PM
on Nov 16, 2011

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Dear afc583, I find it very sad that you would become inactive (in what we claim to be the only true church) because of the behavior and words of imperfect people. I'm sorry to say that this is only hurting you, not them. As for David, he was a light to others and stood tall. We need more people like him in this world.

stupou said...

11:42 AM
on Jan 16, 2012

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Thank you, for being that one shining star.

willmc said...

06:57 PM
on Jan 17, 2012

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I doubt the entertainment indrstry has anything on the morning crew I worked with and managed at UPS. I feel bad for those of you who are so proud of your perfectness. My testimony grew working with the "heathens" and I really grew to like them, but not their ways. But they were able to meet a active practicing LDS member, maybe they learned something. It's a hard life, be grateful for the exposure you had to the gospel, I know I am.

tweetykim said...

10:52 PM
on May 20, 2012

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Two comments: The Savior did not avoid the sinners (thank goodness) and...you never know when a seed can be planted unless you go out in the world to plant.

mrsjackson630 said...

09:50 AM
on Oct 01, 2012

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Am I a bad person for having been in the restaurant industry and forced to serve alcoholic beverages on occasion? Or my dad, who has been in law enforcement forever and is around people who make bad choices and profanity all the time? Do none of you negative posters have friends who are gay, having premarital sex, drink, smoke weed, use bad language, etc.? Have you never made a mistake yourself? Obviously you must listen to the radio to know what her "foul lyrics" even say...which means you've listened to countless other WORSE songs. CHRIST was the only perfect individual to walk the earth. The prophets have made mistakes in their personal lives...we don't sit here and judge them, do we?

thelowone said...

07:35 PM
on May 13, 2013

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I am really late on commenting for this article. But, I've got a totally different perspective concerning peoples' comments. Many people in the church are just way too judgmental of others, be it judging others in professions where the gospel is less lived. Just think of the great potential for missionary work! But, too many members shun those working in such occupations. My situation is totally different. I had always been active in the church, serving in callings, and helping others. I did my home teaching, visited those at the hospital, etc. I home taught individuals who were gay, never judging them. I just tried to treat them as I did anyone else in the church. I invited them over for dinner, etc. My wife and I raised six boys. The first three served missions. The fourth was bi-polar. The next child was autistic. The last son was schizophrenic. All was well for us in the church at that point. When our youngest son was shot in the head and left for dead, we had church support for a short while. He did survive and now has most of his frontal lobes of his brain missing. Therefore, he has no inhibitions, and we never know what he's going to say. After hearing him say some gross things, the visiting teacher quit. Over time, most everyone in the church divorced themselves from us. I saw a brother last Saturday at a store, and he totally ignored me even though I tried to talk to him. My wife has a few close friends in the church that don't shun her. All my close friends are not LDS. My son has to be watched 24/7, so we aren't able to be nearly as active as we once were. I'm treated as if I've been excommunicated. But, I'm still a member in good standing, and I do missionary work whenever I can amongst my friends and others. It's just too bad that people are so judgmental, and many of us are persecuted because of it. I accept people for who they are, not as others perceive them. I hail those of you who stand alone and before the world to be an example unto them who are less fortunate and do not have the gospel. I have stood alone for the last eight (8) years, taking care of our special children who have been entrusted to us. If I'm a bad guy for taking care of my family, so be it. I'll continue to stand alone, taking care of my first and foremost responsibility, and I'll continue to be the designated driver, and will serve in whatever way I can to those around me who do not enjoy the gospel. I just thought it is important that I leave these thoughts, even if they are not read by anybody. Jesus did not shun the sinners, but bade them to do better. How is it that we should even try to judge others?

neilan said...

02:56 PM
on May 25, 2013

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Writing an 'unauthorized' biography is not a crime. It just means that its not officially commissioned by the person who it's about. Getting fired by Lady Gaga is probably a good thing. You know, being a Mormon doesn't mean you have to be stupid!
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