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On last week's episode, Bridger and Lindsay Frampton shared their experience as one of many families at church in Grand Blanc, Michigan on Sunday, September 28th when tragedy struck. In this week's episode, they talk about the days, weeks, and months that followed and how they've been navigating life since both originally from Utah.
Bridger and Lindsey Frampton moved to Michigan for Bridger's residency at Henry Ford. Genesis Bridger is a military veteran and he and Lindsey are the parents of five children. At the end of the last episode, Bridger and Lindsey, we talked about the families and and the victims of those who were killed in this shooting, and you guys paid beautiful tribute to to those people.
Bridger. You mentioned that the family of Pat Howard in particular had been helpful in your grieving and influential in your grieving process and, and healing. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? Yeah. One of the statements, I guess the, the phrases I've heard throughout this experience and learned to be true is that grief and gratitude can coexist deep sadness.
And awe at the power of the savior and his ability to be with be with us in, in these times can coexist. So yeah, the, the Howard family has been very supportive, uh, of my healing and my family's healing. We, we, it feels like we've come closer to everybody in the ward, but I, I'm very grateful for the Howard family and mind you, pat and, and Kitty, Howard, those were the, the individuals of the family at, at the church.
But I'm also talking about the, the children of Pat and Kitty, they've reached out, friends of theirs have reached out and, and just been very supportive in, in our scenario. Some of the insights that this family has shared with me has been helpful in the grief process. There are a lot of questions that I had after being extubated that just ate me alive, and, and it was very hard initially to deal with those feelings.
They call it acute stress disorder. You have a lot of, it's, it's not the, the PTSD, it's the, the acute stress, so a SD. And it was, it was hard to deal with that. And again, this family was so supportive in, in helping me through that process. I've witnessed them testify the savior of peace that they are experiencing, and over the last few months of, of the, the testimony they have of the resurrection, the reassurance of the resurrection.
They're still, I mean, they're still aching and, and working through their grief, but they're, they're, so, their examples are, are bright. Um, they have the savior's countenance. They, they've, that, that's been so relieving for me, and so they've just been amazing examples. I've seen those examples too with, with the Hayden family, the Bond family, all of the families, the Lichtenberg, they, they, they've.
They have this spirit about them. They have this savior with them and, and the, I mean, one of the daughters of Bishop Hayden in the moment forgave the shooter. One of my friends, Benjamin, who was hit and suffered a long time in the hospital, has forgiven him. And these are, I mean, they're just, they're very Christlike.
They're very. It is just been, I'm, I'm very grateful for their examples in this process. And, and, and I think that's good for other people to know that, that, again, amidst tragedy and trial and, and this heartache of losing somebody close, they have bound peace in the savior. And that's, that's a highlight to me.
That's beautiful. Another thing that I wanted to, to make sure that we, we highlighted is the support that you all received from family in the wake of, of this experience. You obviously have a lot of people that care a ton about your family, and so I wondered if you could share a little bit about what the support of your loved ones meant.
By some miracle, my mom was already going to the airport that day because I was very much in, I don't know what you would call that mode, more in shock because I had to make sure all my kids were safe. All of a sudden my husband was in the hospital and he was gonna be unconscious, and I was in go mode.
Kind of not, you know you're faced Yes. When you're faced with a problem, especially when you never thought you had to. Like I was in complete, I was doing all the things I had to do. I was taking care of the kids. I was back and forth from the hospital. And miracle upon miracle, my mom was able to, I think she was able to get to me.
By like 10:00 PM that night. And I had been, I mean, I had been scared all day, but you know, when you, you don't have a choice and you have to face something head on. You toughen up and you suck it up and you get whatever has to be done done. And having my mom get there that night, I mean, no one, no one's like your own mom.
Right, right. So having her be able to get there in a matter of hours was the biggest blessing to me because then I knew that I had someone unconditionally on my team in that moment of distress, and I was able to let my guard down when she got here and process what had just happened because I didn't have time to process anything.
'cause I had to make sure my kids were doing okay. And I wanted to make sure that Bridger was gonna be okay and knowing that she was gonna be here because I put her in full charge of my children. Of our children. And our baby's still tiny, so I still had to come home to feed him every three hours. But I knew that I could go to the hospital and sit with Bridge Bridger and be with Bridger and not be worried about the kids because.
Because I trust my mom completely and that was a giant blessing and a giant weight off my shoulders. 'cause I knew that if they were taken care of, I could help my wonderful husband and at least be there for him. I feel like there is nothing more real than the fact that we all just want our moms always When I'm, when I'm sick, I'm like, I just want my mom.
It doesn't matter how old I get. Um, and so I think that feeling that you described will resonate with so many people because it's just so real. And I think also that idea, I get emotional thinking about your mom getting there that night, because I think also with your mom, you feel like you can completely let your guard down.
So it's like almost sometimes like a dam that breaks. Um, and I, I'm so glad that your mom was able to get there. Me too. Me too. Bridger, anything you wanna add on that point? Yeah, thanks Lindsay. I think you can echo both of your sentiments. I love my mom too. Um, we have great parents. Yeah, we do. We have awesome parents.
Um, I don't know when my parents got there, I was taking a nap for some reason. Uh, but that was, that was awesome to know. They were there when I was, was finally coherent. Just like Lindsay, okay, we've got our parents here present. Our kids are safe. We can focus on healing. We can focus on on what we need to do to to get ourselves better.
They're there whenever we need them, and I'm so grateful for. That support that we had from, from them. Same with our siblings. Our siblings, we, we, they were lifting us up in prayer. Uh, they, after we were healed and back in at home, they were asking what they could do, if they could come and visit us, if they, if we wanted visitors, how, how they could help from where they were.
Just the impact that you can have on your family in a time of tragedy is.
Also Bridger was intubated. I came home 'cause I had to pick up the kids and bring 'em to our house. And we have a, some friends in the ward that called and said, we're headed to your house. Would you and your kids like blessings? And so they came over. And they gave us all blessings. And they said, we're gonna go to the hospital and we're gonna give Bridger a blessing.
And I said, okay, I need to stay here with the kids. And then one of my friends said, do you want me to stay with you? And she stayed with me so that I could shower 'cause I still smelled of smoke. 'cause I couldn't have showered unless I knew someone was with the kids. And she stayed with me until my mom was able to come.
And I didn't have to ask. They just showed up. And we live in a neighborhood where it's a, it's a good size neighborhood and there's maybe one or two other members besides us and they watched over our house and our family like I could never have imagined. Not just them, but everybody. Right. Everybody. We had neighbors that we had only talked to once dropping off food.
We had another neighbor that I had never met who said, your kids like Legos. We're gonna bring your kids Legos. And we were gifted crafts and Legos and my kids were kept occupied and busy so that even though I wasn't at home for long spans of time. They, they completely felt loved and they were like, wow.
Like it was, it was so humbling because yes, we felt love from the, from our ward and from our friends, and especially those who are with us, but the love from our community and our neighbors, our old baseball coaches for our kids, like. We felt the hospital I rotate at the hour away. Yes, people that bridge works with.
It was, I can't think of a better word than humbling and comforting, but our more importantly, I knew that our kids felt loved. And they were kept, they were kept busy, which I think really helped with navigating the trauma that first week, especially not knowing that you were unconscious at the hospital.
'cause we just told them dad, 'cause he dad just has a cough. They just wanna, they just wanna keep him at the hospital so that they can fix his cough. And they're like, okay. But kudos to all those people who reached out because. I was so impressed and thankful. It's basically anybody and everybody who lifted this up in prayer, who supported us with, I mean, food with Legos like we talked about or stuff that my kids could keep their mind off of what had happened and.
I had a, our co-resident, Kay, um, while I was intubated, this is Lindsay was able to, to hang out with her a little bit. She was very aggressive in making sure that my, my medical management was up to her standards, which are high. And it was, it was awesome to have somebody like that in your corner. All my attendings, like just my.
All the physician staff, I, I wanted her to re-highlight and, and our administrative assistants, our ER techs, we had a ER tech who brought his wife up to visit me while I was unconscious. And Lindsay, and he brought her a meal and just. Just people going above and beyond. And I, I can't stress that enough.
The, I think that the, the light of Christ was so ever apparent and it's, it continues to be that way. Our, our neighbors, I just, I have, I had attending and, and a colleague who started a, like a GoFundMe, like that monetary relief has been amazing. Uh, just people willing to, to help us out and that, that, that's been very humbling.
Very humbling. I just wanna tell people thank you. We, we just wanna tell people thank you like that, that we, we felt many times, uh, that burden to, to pay it forward. And, and we are excited to get into a position to be able to do that at some point. But that overall was just, as she mentioned, her baseball coach there.
There's just so many people who've, who just came out of. Every aspect of our lives. And they were just there. And, and like I said, the 700 800 texts I received from military friends and, and high school buddies and people I had taught in the BYU or in the train missionary training center, like just, just amazing to see how many people, and it's.
It's gonna take us forever to get 'em all thanked personally. And, but I've, I'm very grateful for this opportunity. I, I did wanna really highlight that again, and, and just grateful for all those who were there for us and have been there for us and continue to, to lift us up in prayer. It's a testimony of the savior and, and his love for all of us.
I guess the week after, I, I think the best way to describe it is I went into hermit mode. Because all I wanted to do was make sure that my, my family was okay, and then there's the trying to process, but I don't think I had time to process for a long time just because I was trying to make sure my family was okay.
But echoing what Bridger said about feeling prayers and support and everything, I was hope. I got so many wonderful texts of support and everything, and even though I physically couldn't bring myself to answer all of those beautiful people reaching out to me, the fact that they reached out still made a huge difference.
So I think that that proves that even though no. I may not have answered, or it took a long time for me to answer anything. I still loved and needed and appreciated the fact that people cared and they wanted to show their love and support, and it made a difference. And in my healing journey I have have.
Honestly, it's taken me months to to start to reach out to people again. But their love and support was never taken for granted at all. I think that's a really valuable point because I feel like so many of us, when something happens, we want to do something, we don't know what the right thing is. And sometimes if you don't hear something back, you think, oh, did I say the wrong thing?
But to your point, like. Every little bit makes a difference and, and just somebody reaching out Bridger. You have said that, that there have been some things that you have realized that have kind of come to light as you've worked to process this experience that in particular have made you so grateful for your sweet wife.
Can you talk to me a little bit about that? Yeah, and there's, there's a lot of spouses who we're dealing with there. Other half, uh, healing in the hospital and the strength that they, I, I, I mean, you can tell they chose the savior. They chose the turn of the savior because the strength was impressive in these individuals.
And I can speak to that because my wife was in this position. I've had, like, there, there's, and this is, this might be more personal and so I don't know, whatever. I had this, this just kinda, I saw her in this scenario kind of in the middle of everything. I just, I had this while I was intubated or, or trying to come out of intubation.
I remember just having an image of her holding Li Lillian or holding step stepped and Maverick, the baby, just our, our youngest and, and just, you could see the fear in her eyes, but you could also see a freaking determination and what a, what a babe. I mean what a what a mama bear. Just making sure her family.
And it was just that, it was very.
That is a, that is a, that is a princess warrior of God. I guess that's, that's the best way I can put it. I don't know. And that was, that was one thing that, that was, I've seen that in her. We've, we've struggled after we, we've, this is, this has not been an easy road, but it She is, she is just as amazing. I don't know.
It's just been amazing to, to, I'm lucky to have her in this process, I guess. I was, I was just talking with my therapist the other day and just in awe at all the things that she had to, or that she chose to, to do sacrificing for me for my children. She didn't sleep. She mentioned having to go back. They don't let children in the I so.
She'd come visit me in the hospital and then go back and feed Stetson and, and then just, she was there to, to let our kids have space to deal with the trauma, never drawing attention to herself. Kind of keeping all the pain and the hurt inside so that she could stay. Strong and firm the whole time. And I know she mentioned letting her guard down with her mom, but I, I think she's still just very, she's very tough and she, she's a huge support throughout this whole process.
I'm super lucky to have her. She, she is my hero and I'm just very grateful for a spouse that chooses the savior that chooses to be strong. And I know there's a lot of other people like that in our community and, and our church community, our community here are just very grateful for people like that. It takes a whole lot of the burden of healing off somehow, and just very grateful for that.
Lindsay is now one of my heroes too, so add me to the, add me to the fan club. I, I don't think things happen by coincidence. And it definitely sounds like something Lindsay, where you were, where you were for a reason. Um, but I'm sure with that you saw things that nobody else saw. So I wondered how has your family dealt with the trauma from that day, especially.
Trying to help your young children and how have you as parents felt the Lord helping you as you try to help them? I was kind of done at four kids and Bridger kind of kept bringing up that, you know, I think we need one more. Lucky seven. Seven in a family. Just seems lucky, you know? So Stetson was six months old.
I think Heavenly Father knew that we needed him because Monday morning I had gotten like, I don't know, 'cause I was at the hospital most of the night, but I made sure to be here when the kids woke up and the first thing they did was go to the baby and they were hugging the baby and they were smiling and laughing and like you could tell they were dealing.
But Stetson was almost like their little therapy baby, and he still is for all of us. So I think having him and our family is a miracle. What I've learned with this process is, holy cow, we in the spirit and, and the spirit has directed us in many amazing ways. To help our kids with healing. Like Lindsay mentioned, Brighton was able to get out early, and so he, he's actually, he's okay.
Stetson's amazing. He doesn't care. He is like just ball of fun. Maverick is, I think he's okay. I mean, he is, he is a resilient. He is resilient, but 5-year-old. But I'd say Lily and Wesley were most impacted and they were the ones that we couldn't find for, for a long time. And, and so the night, the first night night I got home from the hospital.
I would pass by the kids' room, and Lily is usually pretty good at getting to sleep. And then she was wide awake and I kinda waved to her and she waved back and smile and go about my business. And I, I come back and she's still there smiling and it's like, dang, this is maybe, so I went and laid down next to her and I, I just said, Hey, you doing okay?
And, and she's like, I'm okay. And then all of a sudden it was just the dam broke and just tears and, and sobbing and.
One of the things she said was,
dad, I'm so scared. Where were you? Were you even looking for me? And that one, that was hard to hear. And I think naturally I wanted, I wanted to jump on that question very quickly and, and I recognized that I. Couldn't, I needed a pause and I, and, and so I, I followed that prompting and I, and she just kinda kept going and got it all her system.
And I had this very strong moment where it was like, Lily, you were the only person I could think about. You were all I could think about, and of course I was looking for you. And that was a hard discussion to have. It was a hard. And it does, it didn't end there A couple weeks later, she, we were, Lindsay, Lindsay and I were down here and, and, um, she came down and sat between us and, and she was struggling to go to sleep and, and we said, what, what are you thinking about?
What's on your mind? And again, she brings up things and she said, I felt, I felt abandoned. And I had never had, had seen that I had never taken that perspective and that that cut me deep. And, and, and obviously she was, she was hurt. She was, she was struggling with that feeling and.
And again, instead of jumping on that, I, I let her kind of talk it out and I, after that, after she got everything out, it was another prompting that was very strong and it was. Lily, can I tell you what my thoughts were? Can I tell you what, what my reasoning was and what I did? And, and she was open to that and I, I explained my thoughts and I explained the visions basically I had of, of a car hitting into the, the building and what my thoughts were and why I thought this way and, and that my intent and purpose was never to leave her in a tough scenario.
It was powerful. Uh, she, when, when she realized that, that we were just trying to, to do our best, and, and I had the opportunity to tell her, look sweetie, you follow the spirit. You grabbed Wesley? 'cause she kind of told us her story later on, but she, she grabbed Wesley and she led him over the fence and into the trees and followed instructions from our friends and, and praying like crazy down there next to the lake and in the trees and staying quiet and just, just a terrible, she lived through some crazy stuff, hearing the gunshots that she couldn't just, just a, just a tough and um.
I had the opportunity once to, to, I took her to her just normal yearly check-in with the pediatrician. And after that we were getting in the car and, and I had taken the rest of the family over to the church just to see and, and to kind of feel and experience and, and be okay with the, the scene. And, and Lily had never really wanted to go.
And I, um, so then I just mentioned, Hey. Li do you wanna go by the church today? And she surprised me and said, yeah, let's do it. And I was kind of taken aback and, and so I turned around and, and we drove towards the church and, and, uh, they have an FBI fence around the, the building around the, around the area there.
This was before Demol or the, the Demol demolition team came through. But I put her on my shoulders and, and we just kind of sat there for a little bit. I remember just kinda being quiet, letting her soak it all in. I said, Lily, what do you, what do you feel? And she said, I remember her saying sad. And I asked her, do you, do you feel scared?
And she said, no. And I said, good. This, this is not a, a place to be, to be scared of. The threat is gone. This is a place of, this is a sacred place. And, and we don't need to be scared of it. And, and then I kinda let her. It was what I knew. I can't remember exactly what I said, but I, I asked her, what, what do you see?
And she said, ashes. And kind of, again, following promptings, I said, well, what, what is, what rises from ashes? And, and she's a, she likes Harry Potter stuff. And, and she's like, oh, Phoenix. And I thought I was, oh, fantastic answer. And so I was like, okay, Lily, what does the Phoenix, what can the Phoenix represent?
And she's like, Jesus. And so then it was like a fantastic opportunity for me to, to kind of testify of, of the Savior and. And, uh, so I, I get her off my shoulders and, and I'm like, anything else? You else you wanna see? And, and she's like, yeah, can we go behind the church? And so we were gonna go behind and as we're walking over there, there was, there were pages of our hymns kind of floating in the wind and, and kind of stuck in the grass or whatnot and singed edges.
And we went over and, and she picked one of 'em up and, and shows it to me. And she points out the freight or the, the line in the, in the hymn. And it says. Bruised, broken, torn for us on Calvary's Hill, and she's like, Hey, Jesus, Jesus knows what we, what we felt like, like just kind of 10-year-old girl, just nailing it.
And so then I had another opportunity to, to testify of the savior. And then she sees another little page and she runs over and picks it up and it's not even our hymn book. And I can, I can get the, the site, I don't have it off the top of my head here, but I can get it for you. But it's just a, a song that was in the 1960s and one of the lines that she pointed out right away was Let no Mortal Man change the Master's plan, which was pretty darn impactful with what we've been through.
And again, had just a, a very emotional experience there. After that experience, she's had a much better time, much easier time going to sleep, and I think she's just it. And, and this is for all of our kids. They're, we're just trying to find our new safe space, our new safety, our new peace. We've, we've learned that.
I mean, the memories are, are real. They're raw. So we're trying to make good memories to, to kind of crowd out the, the tough memories. 'cause it's hard to push 'em all the way out, but, but we can, we can definitely pack in the good stuff. And, but that, I think is, is one of the things that. We have been very attached to recognizing and, and just people praying for us.
That's, that's been amazing. We had, I, I had another conversation with my son Brighton, right here in the room, and I said to him, because I'd had some experiences at that point, and I said, Hey, bright, do you recognize angels around you? And he's getting serial and he is like, not even bugged by the question.
Yeah. And I was like, okay. Well, where do you, where do you feel these angels? And he is like, oh, it's cool. Like, okay, do you, do you, do you recognize the angels? You know them? She's like, yeah. And he, he, he starts naming off grandma and grandpa like these, like these, these people that have passed on and. I've had, I had some of those similar experiences, like feeling them close and it was weird to like, he, he rallied off like no big deal.
And he goes and sits down and eats here and was like, Hey, good talk. Like holy cow. Like, uh, that, that was very powerful kinda discussion that that just was so nonchalant for him. Like it was just second nature. And so it's been kind of cool to see. He is very involved in our lives. He, the, the prayers are, are still, we are way better off than we should be.
And I think that's what prayer does. It's just, it changes things and it, and it puts us in a, in a scenario where you're not a hundred percent, but you are better than you should be. And, and I've seen that so many times with, uh, helping our children through this trauma. Okay. Thank you so much. Um, those experiences, especially those ones with your daughter, are so poignant and I think that desire as a parent to want your kid to be able to sleep okay, is something that any parent can relate to and it breaks your heart to watch them not be able to, and, and in your case, to know why.
I, I want to touch on something quickly, Bridger, that I know you would be familiar with from your time in the military, and that is PTSD. Is that something that you feel like you had ever dealt with before? Talk to me about what it's been like kind of experiencing something like that for the first time.
Yeah, I can say this is probably not the first time I've experienced it, and it's interesting. My position as a, as a flight surgeon, I'm not in direct combat, but it's interesting how it still hits you. I had a good friend who was killed in training before we deployed. I've had colleagues and friends who I care about true suicide, and I've, I've been directly involved in their care.
Then obviously this scenario where your sanctuary, your safe place becomes a battleground, and your friends and family people you care about are right there in the, in the middle of it. My process, I feel like I, I've found a good way of, of coping with it, I guess dealing with it. Um, I don't know if it'll work very well.
Savior work, work for everybody, but certain aspects might not work for everybody. You get flashbacks, you get memories, you get loud noises that that cause you to go right back to where you were. It smells, sounds, it's just, it's very, it's interesting how easily you're back in, in the midst of chaos and taking time to go through those memories to go through.
Those flashbacks with a lens of the gospel or with a lens of the savior. You can find the savior in those moments and then you can turn that over to the Lord and you can give them to the Lord. I've found peace as I've done that and the, I mean, the adversary wants us to remain in fear. He wants us to be paralyzed.
As best he can by what others inspired by him do to us. He wants us to be messed up for the rest of our lives. What I've found is, as I've talked this out, is I've tried to take those memories head on. It's been, it's been tough, but it's at the same time. There's healing to that. And I've found, I, I've worked with a therapist before who focuses as a treatment on veterans and, and first responders suffering with PTSD and talking with him, he highlighted how these people, the military, the the first responders they run, run head on into danger with great courage.
I mean, they, they, they have a, a, an, an, I guess a target. Um, they have an understanding, a goal. They go and they take care of it. But then the thoughts come after her and the, and the PTSD comes after, and there's, there's no longer, according to this therapist, there's no longer a clear enemy or a clear target to attack.
And so they don't know where to, where to focus their efforts on. And it's been interesting 'cause I talked to that guy before this event, and his words keep coming back to me in the understanding of the, in the understanding that we have of the gospel of Jesus Christ, we know who the real enemy is. And so I've taken that mentality of, of running straight at it and, and trying to, trying to see those fear provoking flashbacks and memories as my enemy trying to keep me stuck.
And as I've been able to talk these things out to share my experiences. Light gets injected into these memories and, and light is one of the titles of the savior, and that has been the biggest turnaround in my PTSD symptoms that I've ever experienced. I still experience them. There's still some fear provoking scenarios, but I am way better off than I should be, if that makes sense.
I, I had a, a good friend who came, friend came, uh, Derek, right after I was released from the hospital, and he was a fantastic sounding board. Just I had a chance to talk it all out and light. Every time you talk something out, you get to, you get to see a different little side of it or a different little miracle that, that you might not have mentioned or noticed before.
And again, that added light. I can then add a light to the situation. I can then turn back to the savior and and, and give it to him, and it feels like the burden is much lighter. I think my biggest blessing is that Bridger knew how to help kill himself, like he just said, talking it out and putting the savior in scenarios.
Because like I said before, I don't think I let myself even fully process what happened for a long time because I was in, yeah, go mode, survival mode. But because Bridger's been able to heal, he has been a fabulous support to help me figure out how I heal, because he heals in a very different way than I do.
But it works because he's now in a place that helps me be able to process, and when I have my flashbacks, I'm able to talk to him about it. And because Bridger's been able to heal in the way that he has, I think it's been a giant blessing for our kids because that's a whole different scenario trying to figure out how to help each of our kids with their different ages and experiences.
Like, I think, like you said before, you've been able to talk a few things out with our kids, and I think our kids are doing okay because of the time and effort and love that you've spent. Not forcing them to talk about it, but being there for them when they're ready to talk about it. Before we get to our last question, I wanna ask you, as a doctor and the wife of a doctor, what has this experience taught you about the master physician?
This experience actually hasn't introduced that idea to me. I, I've, I was drawn to medical stuff by the savior, healing others. That's something I've always loved and, and longed to do, and I, I, I also, I'm very, very impressed with how he's able to heal mind, body, and spirit. And I think I've, I've tried to take that aspect about him very seriously and, and what I do, obviously I'm, I'm far from his status, but, but I think thinking about mind, body, and spirit as, as all one, I think that's, uh, that's just, he's, he's able to heal the whole person.
I've always seen him as an example, a perfect example of that. We're trained to step in, to take control, to fix what we can. There's so much that's outside of our control and in the middle of that chaos, it's Christ's healing is not limited to tho to those constraints. I really, that's, that's one thing that's just amazing to me.
I wish I could take away people's pain all the way. The low back pain is very common thing. It'd be awesome to just heal somebody like that and he, he's not constrained by that. He can do that. I saw, I saw his ability, his, his healing power in the piece that showed up when it didn't make sense in the middle of chaos.
I saw it in the strength of people and them stepping in with courage and acting and courage. Uh, in, in, in those scenarios that was healing, taking place or, or beginning, uh, in, in these people's lives. Yeah, there were physical miracles that day for sure. And, and we could talk all day about that. But there are also emotional and spiritual healings, healings happening at the same time.
And, and those are just as real as the physical healings. So for the, for, honestly, overall for this experience, I, I've already, he, he is the master physician and I've, I've already seen that and I, I appreciate that. And it's, it's just, this is expanding it for me. While I do my best to, to heal my body and spirit, I hope that I can.
Uh, continue to emulate that, uh, that I, those, those abilities and, and characteristics that, that Christ has as I do my own physician stuff, uh, in my own small way. I think the greatest thing that I realized is he ministers to the one that I don't know how else to describe it. Even though that week after was a blur.
But all I remember feeling is, 'cause we had, it was Elder Bednar. Elder Bednar, elder Ward. There was so many. Yeah, that was amazing. And during one of the meetings, it was a small meeting for family that had people in the hospital and they were there to talk and to comfort and help. And I, I asked a question and Sister Bednar answered and she said just something along the lines of like, it's gonna be okay.
You're gonna go on a journey, but it's gonna be okay. And heavenly father knew that that's what I needed to know. And then she sat next to me that night at a meeting and held my baby, and I felt. I felt the savior's love because I knew that she, I specifically needed her. You always see pictures of Christ with, uh, with sheep, right?
And there's one picture that we have on our wall now, and Christ is like hugging just one little sheep. And that's, that's how it felt. And it's still been hard and things still hurt, but I can't deny that that I felt, I don't know how else to say it. Ministered to, doesn't do it justice. You said it beautifully.
Bridge. And Lindsay, I cannot thank you enough. I think that members of the church all over the world prayed for your family and cared about everything that was happening there. And, but a lot of us haven't known what happened, you know, and so your willingness to share means a lot. And, and I know that it will mean a lot to those listening and your testimonies.
So thank you so much. My, my last question for you is, what does it mean to you to be all in the gospel of Jesus Christ? And you can each take a turn answering if you'd like that even when bad things happen, it doesn't mean that good's not gonna come out of it somehow. And I think continuing to pray and looking for miracles.
And staying close to our savior and staying all in the gospel is kind of the only way to survive things like this. Thank you, Lindsay. I have thought about this question 'cause you ask it in all the other ones and it's like, gosh, dang it. What am I gonna say? So, being all in in the gospel, Jesus Christ, it's not just something I believe in.
It's something I strive to live. I strive to trust. I strive to rely on in every part of my life. Uh, it means that when I'm, when things are good, I'm grateful. It means that when things are hard or chaotic and terrifying, I still choose to trust him. And I, I mean, I like to go back that day didn't create my faith.
Uh, it tested it in a way that I've never been tested before. And what I'm, what I've found is, is that all in all in doesn't mean that you have all the answers. It means that, or, and it also, it also doesn't mean that you're free from fear. Um, it means that in the middle of fear, you still turn to Christ.
Uh, you still act, you still trust. You still believe that he's there. Guiding, strengthening, and healing like we talked about. This is actually something that Ella Bednar mentioned too. If your faith isn't strong. Do something about it, like it faith is acting and, and, um, get off the couch and, and, and do it.
It is, is kind of the, the, the message that I remember from, he didn't say that in those exact words, but that was what I, what I remember and, and I appreciate that. It, it's, you still act, you still trust, you still believe that he is there. Uh, even though you might not feel him, even though you might not see him.
For me, being all in means that faith in Jesus Christ isn't conditional. It's, it's not conditional in circumstances. It, it's. You choose him no matter what because of that, I, I, I mean, I, I maintain hope in a, in a scenario that I felt like I, I shouldn't have had hope. 30 minutes and 30 minutes is a long time not knowing where your kids are and a chaotic scenario.
But I trusted in him and, and in our scenario, he, they were safe. Uh, if they weren't safe, would I still believe, and I've asked that. If my kids would've listened to me and stayed in the chapel, we would've buried four kids.
And would I have still believed?
I'd wanna say yes, I hope. I'd say yes.
I believe in him. I trust in him. I've seen what he can do, not just in moments of peace, but. Specifically in moments of chaos. And I think that's what being all in means to me. Uh, and after everything we've experienced that day, I can say with certainty, I'm all in. Roger and Lindsay, thank you. Thank you so much.
Please, please know how grateful I am and, and that we will continue to pray for your family and we're rooting for you 100%. Thank you so much. That's another thing is like, how are we gonna thank everybody that's just been, and maybe this is a good way to do it. Thank you to your listeners who were praying for us.
I don't know. There's, there's so we've got so many thank yous to write. You're wonderful. Amazing. We are so grateful to Lindsay and Bridger Frampton for their willingness to do this interview. As always, we're grateful to Derek Campbell of Mix at, six studios for his help with this episode, and we're grateful to you for listening.
We'll look forward to being with you again next week.