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Segment 1

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Do you know how much you are loved by God and not because he loves everyone, but because he loves you? He loves everything about you and in fact his love for you is inexhaustible. Can you believe that it's inexhaustible? My guests, and I believe this so deeply that we took this week's come follow me Scripture block, which is doctrine and covenant section 76, titled The Vision, which is a section that details the qualifications for the kingdoms of glory, and it's a grand view of eternity.

And while it is all that, you know what else? It's also a section about God's inexhaustible love for us. And we can't wait to show you all of the examples that we found. Welcome to the Sunday on Monday Study Group, a Deseret Bookshelf plus original, brought to you by LDS Living, where we take the Come Follow Me lesson for the week, and we really dig into the scriptures together.

I'm your host, Tammy Uzelac Hall. If you're new to our study group, please follow the link in our description. It is going to explain how you can best use this podcast to enhance your come Follow Me study, just like my longtime listening friend, Bonnie Taylor. Bonnie, it was so good to meet you. Thanks for coming to our Seder event.

Clear back in April. You're awesome. Now, another incredible thing about this podcast, and it's my favorite thing, you guys, this is so fun. Each week we're joined by two of my friends, and this week I'm so exci you guys. How excited are we for this discussion? Oh, so excited. Oh, we love being with you, and together we love each other.

It's wonderful. The three of us love each other so much. You guys. I have Laryssa Wilhelm Waldron, and Jennifer Brinkerhoff Platt. Hello. Hi Tammy. Hi Laryssa. Hi. Okay. These two women, they teach at BYU Idaho. Hello. How awesome is that? If you are going there or are about to go there, sign up for their classes in religion, please.

You'll not regret it. It's so good, so good. Wonderful. Yeah. Okay. And we've talked before, I mean, we've just known each other forever. We taught seminary forever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you guys have anything you wanna tell anybody? Any news, anything fun? [00:02:00] Just so happy to be back here. We are just happy.

Alright, let's just do this 'cause we're so excited to study. Okay. Let me just ask you this. When I asked you to take the approach about finding Gods inexhaustible love in section 76, tell me your thoughts. Well, at first I was like, oh, I'll find it everywhere. And then I was like, oh, I, I had to look at a couple of things and I don't know if you wanna delve into it right now.

We'll, we'll delve later. Yeah, you're good. Yeah. Yeah. But it was, I was like, oh, maybe I'm not seeing quite as much as I had hoped. I know that's to say, but I was a little bit worried. Um, I mean, I, of course you see his love everywhere, but sometimes his love is in the justice too, but I'm sure we'll, we'll talk a little bit about that as we go.

Yes. And that's a powerful observation. And I think that's, it was interesting because I've paired it up immediately with President Oaks when he taught us in general conference in October, 2023, kingdoms of Glory Talk. Mm-hmm. And in this, he so plainly painted a picture of God's love. In fact. To the point that, um, don't go too deep in it 'cause we're gonna come back to that.

Okay. I won't go deep in it, but was so clear in painting this picture and helping us to see that what we choose and that our agency determines our experience with God's inexhaustible love. Mm-hmm. And that has been a present and clear theme of the teachings of President Russell and Nelson as well. So God be thankful for the prophets of the restoration.

Mm-hmm. From Joseph Smith to Living Prophets today with President Oaks, president Nelson, that wow, we've gotta, we've gotta do a little something to experience God's love. Um, it is abundant and it is like air, but I need to choose to draw it in. Oh my gosh. Okay. This is gonna be a beautiful discussion. Oh, I'm so excited.

Okay, so do you wanna know more about my guests? [00:04:00] Go read their bios, check them out in our show notes, which are found at LDS living.com/sunday on Monday. And so you guys grab your scriptures and before I say, let's dig in, I do wanna say this 'cause this is pretty interesting. So, exactly four years ago I had these two on when we were indoctrinate covenants and they were my guests for section 76, which I did not remember until I had invited him.

And Laryssa reached back and said, you know, we were on for section 76 4 years ago. And I looked and I'm like, you were my guests. I mean, that didn't, it didn't even. I couldn't even connect that. But now I love that God is so good because I'm telling you right now, if you want an in-depth dive into what every single kingdom is like and who qualifies and all of the fun stuff.

We did a major dive into Section 76 and you can go back and listen to us. It's season two, episode 28. So go back, dive in with us, mark up your scriptures, and it might be kind of fun to listen to that and then come back and now listen to this approach we're taking. So it's gonna be so fun. Okay, now with that, Hey Tammy, can I just say really quick?

Yeah. That this is one of the hallmarks of what you're doing here on the podcast. You are so directed by the Holy Ghost. Holy, thank you. And, and that to me, like anytime I listen, I know Tammy is being really careful and intentional in trying to receive divine direction to bless whomever is going to participate.

And so I can't help but wonder, I mean, Laryssa, I think there's something for all of us. Through Tammy's divine direction. So thank you for being so good and intentional. God is good. I love him. Like this has been so cool because it really is, we really did an intense dive four years ago. We did, and I wanna do it different way.

So, and we'll talk about that in another segment. This is gonna be so much fun. Okay, so now grab your scriptures, something to mark them with and let's dig into section 76. Alright, you two, what did the Holy Ghost teach you this time as you were reading? Okay. I really loved in [00:06:00] verse three, his purposes fail, not neither are there any who can stay his hand.

And for some reason that phrase, no one can stay my hand. We had been studying it a little bit earlier in, come follow me in Dr. In covenants 38 22, when he says, wherefore hear my voice and follow me and you shall be a free people and you shall have no laws. But my laws when I come for I am your law giver and what can stay my hand.

And this idea of, you know, he is not one to just say, I'm gonna do this and then not do it right? Mm-hmm. When he decides on a project, when he works on a work, he will finish it to the end. And there's a as surety to that. And in a world where there's so much chaos and so much turmoil and turnover, it is so wonderful to have a sure promise of, you know, God saying.

Who's gonna be able to stop me? I, yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing now. Right? The atonement, the crucifixion, the resurrection. It is. It is done. And there is no stopping of what's coming forward. And if you attach yourself to that surety, there's a surety to your promises that is really, really beautiful.

Oh, I totally agree. And right when you said that, this is the thought that popped into my head when you said he does what he says he is gonna do. Well, that's kind of interpreted it with what you said, and then I thought that is the hallmark of perfect parenting 1 0 1 is when a parent does what the parent says they're gonna do, and the child knows.

There is safety and security in that. Like Yeah. Even though sometimes we feel like as parents we're being mean because we're following through on, on something we threatened when really we're providing that child with structure, boundaries, safety, and that is what heavenly father, the perfect parent does.

You're right. Like, who can stay my hand? I'm gonna do what I said I'm gonna do. Oh, that's awesome, Laryssa. Thank you. So good. Well, and even beyond that, the next verse teaches us that he's the same, that he's [00:08:00] consistent. Mm-hmm. Uh, and that he's not gonna fail us, which my brain, when I hear never fail, always go to charity.

And, and so here's the picture of charity and this is who he wants us to become is this merciful. I, I grew up kind of in a justice mindset. I remember really thinking things that needed to be black and white, and there was a lot of mentality for me of proving myself. And somewhere along the way, my relationship.

With God. And then in turn with others changed when I realized that charity is my chance to be merciful with myself and with others. Mm-hmm. And that there's nothing to prove, that it's just an open vessel saying, I wanna receive this, he's not gonna fail me. And as a result, I love him so much that I want to be that appropriately in other people's lives.

Oh, that is awesome. I love how we're focused on these just beginning verses. 'cause my, the Holy Ghost taught me verse two and I, I actually marked off 2, 3, 4, and five. 'cause I thought, isn't this fascinating that here he is, he's about to teach, this is really called the vision. It's what the saints called Section 76, the Vision of All Visions.

And he's about to get into all the degrees of glory and the qualifications for each one. But before he does that. He starts with 2, 3, 4, and five, which is what we've all focused on. And then two, great is his wisdom. Marvelous are his ways and the extent of his doings, none can find out. I love that. Because like he's saying, you have no idea how awesome and how much I love you and have for you.

Like you can't even imagine how fabulous I think you are. And we had this discussion last week about him being the title, the Father of Lights. And we talked about how in our, we interpreted that to mean that when parents get together and brag about their kids, God brags about. All of his kids, he thinks they're just filled with light.

Like they're so awesome. And I feel like [00:10:00] now we're coming up on section 76 and it's just this, oh, great is his wisdom. You can't even believe. So, and then he is like, so let me show you and we're gonna get into that. It's gonna be so fun. So thank you ladies. That was brilliant. Okay, so in the next segment then, we're actually going to discuss an idea that Laryssa had when she reminded me that they had been on section 76 before.

So we're gonna have fun with this question and we'll tell you what it is in the next segment.

Segment 2

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So, as we said four years ago, the three of us did this exact same scripture block and I had forgotten. Thank you for the reminder, Laryssa. I can't even believe you remembered. How did you remember? I think that was the first one we did. And so, because you, you do so many, right? Of course that's not on your radar, but because it was the first one the three of us had done together, that was, you know, a memory for me.

So it was so cool. I mean, it's really a good episode. It really was. If I say so myself, we each took one of the degrees and we discussed it in depth. It was so fun. But then this time, Laryssa, I love, 'cause you and I were going texting back and forth, laughing about how funny that was and I couldn't remember.

And then I love that you said this. You said it might be a good idea just to discuss, you can always get something more and different even when you're studying the same thing. And I thought, oh. We have to talk about that because you're right after, come follow me goes every four years, and we're like, back to where we started.

You kind of go, all right, we already know what this is about, but tell me, is that true? Can you always get something more? Did you get something more this time as you studied? Of course. Of course. I think that, um, that with the gospel, it's been four years and hopefully I, I would be shocked if nobody hadn't grown in four years.

Right? Right. Just life experiences grows you, and so four years later when you come back to it, you're like, oh, wait, I haven't looked at it in this analogy. We've had, you know, eight conferences in that time. Right? [00:12:00] So much more revelation, so many more experiences of life, triumphs, fails, you know, and so I think that's why the Lord can teach so well the same thing, but in different layers, right?

Mm-hmm. I, it's like going to the house of the Lord. That. Do you remember when President Kimball was often quoted and saying, I learn something every time I go? Mm-hmm. That's the promise of revelation. And we find this, actually, we find this over and over in section 76 where when Joseph is recording this, he talks about the spirit and the power and the way that they have received this.

And it can be the same for us. God wants to reveal himself to us over and over again. It's who he is. Mm-hmm. Um, and so if we're in that constant state of saying, beat me, I want today to be about learning, about curiosity, about growth, about becoming. Absolutely. Well, and the two of you, I mean, come on, how many times have you taught Section 76 in your career, or in a few alluded to it.

It's been a few in a few times. 20 years. Yeah. Right. So when you hear section 76, you automatically know what it is. You know how you're gonna teach it, and you go to that place. And so now we have a new approach because now we're going to approach it with this idea of God's inexhaustible love. And the three of us decided, oh, that's a great idea.

And I love that you said it early on, Laryssa, like it was a little bit harder to find. But then as you dig deeper into these verses, you really do see it, don't you? Yeah. And, and I have one if I, if I can delve into it really quick that I, and you know, it's something that, of course I, I know the concept, but, um, in verses 15, um, through 17, the verse in John that they're really, really pondering over that.

Begins the revelation, right? Yes. The vision for them. [00:14:00] Talk to us about that 29th in the fifth chapter of John, which talks about the resurrection of the, just for those who have done good and the resurrection of the unjust for those who have done evil. And, and just that idea that there is still a resurrection for every person is such a merciful idea, right?

Mm-hmm. That, that even if I've been a bad person, I still get some glory and some blessing. That's huge. You, you still get to resurrect, you're not gonna go into oblivion or not exist anymore. You know, you think about the types of people who have been, you know, tyrannical rulers here on this earth for thousands and thousands of years, and what do they do when they hate someone?

Well, we just kill you, torture you, and you're dead and you're not existent anymore. But we have a God who's like, yes, you have your agency, and yes, agency will determine what. What you will get and receive, but you're still gonna get some blessings. I think that is such a huge Yeah. Huge idea. That again, was in the New Testament.

Yeah. That, that brought on section 76. Right. So this is an idea that is not just, you know, it, it is in the gospel. It's, it's, and not just a, a, a restoration scripture idea. This is a, a teaching of God that has always been here. I like the way Mercy Mercy helps to expand our doctrine. Yes. That when we understand Mercy or President Nelson has taught us, has said that, that, that you say it properly, Tammy, but this principle of has said is his loving kindness or his mercy to the extent that there isn't language to articulate it.

And that that. I love him. I, I love that I get to know my heavenly Father, [00:16:00] that, that I can experience this loving kindness, this mercy this has said, because I have entered into to covenants with him and that, that what Section 76 then is doing is saying, this is inclusive of all of God's children. He loves all of God, all of his children, president Oaks told us back to kingdoms of glory.

He said, for modern revelation, we know that the ultimate destiny of all who live on the earth is not the inadequate idea of heaven. For the righteous and the eternal suffering of hell for the rest. God's loving plan for his children includes this reality taught by our savior Jesus Christ. In my father's house are many mansions, and so to know that it's not a heaven or a hell, but that.

Even the lowest degree, which President Oaks articulates ally is most people's idea of heaven. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that there's so much more. Yeah, that's mercy. Huge. Oh, I'm so grateful you brought that up, Jen. This is kind of a fun fact about the word hasad. In Hebrew, there are at least 14 or 15 other words in the Bible that mean hasad.

So 14 or 15 other terms that, um, that make up that term itself because there's no way to actually appropriately define Hassad in Hebrew because it's just this all encompassing love, it's mercy, it's grace, it's, it's everything. All those words combined, it's so big. And so when you take that into context of what you just shared with us, Jen, it's just brilliant.

So thank you. Thank you for sharing that, both of you. Okay. So in the next segment then we're gonna dive into just the first couple of verses and I have a question for my guests about these verses. We'll do that next.

Segment 3

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We are going to study doctrine and covenant section 76, and I said for my guests to do verses one through 10, but I'm going to expand it to verses one through 24 'cause there's so much goodness there. So whatever you've got marked, but here is my question for them. As they were studying these verses, why do you think Christ begins this section in this way, knowing that he's gonna talk to us about all the different kingdoms of glory and all the qualifications for who's going to get which kingdom, which by the way, everyone listening when you go study that, do not start assigning people you United kingdoms.

That's nothing. I know my students did whenever I taught that. They're like, so Uncle Billy's going to the show? No, no one's going anywhere. All right. This is when all is said and done, people have a chance to repent, so let's just all breathe. That right there is part of the inexhaustible. Love that. Then it's no one's judgment day to day.

Okay. So isn't that a blessing? Right? Yeah. And yet the reason that we have to teach it is so that we will get the, the good judgment. Right. If we don't, if we don't help share and, and teach our students, you've gotta pull your brain out of who's going where. Yes. Just make some categories the way that the Lord has done it, and in that way we can teach.

Oh, I don't, I I don't wanna be a celestial person. I don't wanna be a terrestrial person. Right. You're think celestial my game est. Yeah. My goal is to think celestial. Exactly. Beautiful. Brilliant. Okay, Jen, you start, why do you think God began section 76 with verses one through 24? Well, it was the prophet Joseph that taught us that if we wanna understand ourselves, we have to understand the true nature and character of God.

Yes. And there's so much about the human condition that can confuse that that relationship. Um, there's, there's social science that teaches us that often our relationship with our earthly father can impact the way we feel about our Heavenly Father. And so if, if that's complicated for all of us, which it is, right, because we're all fallen, [00:20:00] then we might have a confused idea about who God really is.

And when we can drill in and really focus and say, and we started the whole episode this way, this is who God is, this is the pure doctrine of his true nature and character. And the more I can course correct to say, wait, he isn't punitive, or I don't have to prove. Or I'm not in a perpetual or constant state of not being good enough.

You know that, that once that can go away and I can claim my divine identity as a daughter of God when I know who he is, then I progressed towards becoming like him. Were there any verses you marked in those, in that segment section one through 24? There were several that, and we've talked about a couple of them, right, that you started out with.

Verse two, where he talks about wisdom and marvelous are his ways, the extent of his doing none can find out his purposes fail. Not, and I talked about fail, not, he brings it up several times that he's never failing. Um, he is the same. He is merciful. In verse five, in verse seven, he talks about making his mysteries known unto them as good pleasures of my will and that Oh, I love that.

It's not like. Oh, if you come, I might give you a little treat or a surprise if you're really good. No, my good pleasure is to make this known to you. I want to give you all of it. Um, anyway, those are some of the verses, or the lines or phrases mm-hmm. By my power. Um, and by my spirit in verse 10, where he's just so generous.

You extended it so into verse 12. Then Joseph saying, our eyes were opened. I think that's mercy that he's saying, I'm not trying to keep [00:22:00] you in darkness or confusion. I wanna give you all of it. Yeah. Oh, in fact, okay, then this is cool because I've never seen this verse this way before, but now I'm seeing it differently because of what you just taught us about.

Will you say that quote again? Joseph Smith said that truly to understand ourselves. Yeah. You know, this idea from Joseph Smith, it, it came from one of his last discourses at King Fall's funeral. That happened in the Grove in Navu. And you can find this in the gospel library app and also in the Joseph Smith papers.

And if you just type in king fall at discourse, or even the phrase I'm about to read, Joseph was so clear. And, and the beauty of Joseph is that his question at 14 revealed the true nature and character of God. You can see this as a hallmark of his whole ministry from 14 to his death. And this is what he said, quote, if men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves.

And, and my sense from Joseph is that this has been his lifetime experience that, that he has come to know God's true nature and character visually. Experientially, spiritually, socially, every way that you can. He knows God and we are intended to as well. Awesome. I'm so grateful you shared that because go to verse 24.

This one really struck me. I had it marked, but now I know why. Because of what you said. That by him and through him and of him, the worlds are and created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God. I don't know about you, but I can't really think of how many, it's not often that scripture has sons and daughters of God.

Yeah. It's usually like sons of God and then women have to just imply themselves in that. And we always have to write in our scriptures and daughters or, and women. And I love right here, [00:24:00] Joseph is like sons and daughters of God unto God like that. God's including us women. So, oh, that's so cool, Jen. I love that idea that yeah.

Understanding God and understanding ourselves 'cause he sees us, so, oh, cool. Okay. Laryssa, I, I'm just thinking about how gracious. No, I get emotional. How gracious, um, it is that he wants to give us, like this is the begotten son of father in heaven. He is, he is the one that is allowed to take glory and yet doesn't he?

He puts God first. He puts us up. It, it's just absolutely so indicative of his character and nature to be the kind of being that is so wanting to share and wanting to build others. It just, I don't know, my heart just just opens to, to him and how wonderful he is. And, and the verse, this is not along with what you said, but I was just em emoting because I was thinking about all that you were saying.

But I love in verse one where he says, there is no savior except me. There is no one else, right? There is no other way to do this except through the Savior. That is the reason that Heavenly Father says, this is my only begotten son. And, and we're using that language again, right? In 23. He is the only begotten of the father.

There is no other way, you know? Um, we know that Lucifer couldn't do it, didn't do it, you know, and, and we know that the only way is through this path of mercy and sacrifice and grace and becoming like him. That will allow us to have what he has and then be builders of others as well. I. Wow. Oh, I love that.

I never had noticed that in verse one. I just highlighted it with my eternal truth, color. There is no savior. Well, now how much do you know? I have to tell you this. I love the [00:26:00] name Savior so much because we had guests on the McKays and he, both of them, they lived in Asia. They took their family there and lived in Thailand.

'cause he worked for the government and he speaks Thai. And he said that in the Thai language there, there isn't a name for savior. He said that when the church went there, they had to, there were no church words in the Thai language. So baptism is baptiso. Like they just took an English word and turned it into something they could say.

And then he said there's no Thai word for the savior. So when they want to say the savior, this is what they have to say. The royal one who brings salvation, they have to say that whole line. Is that the coolest thing ever? I wrote in my scriptures, the royal one who brings salvation, that is the name. Love that.

That's how they say the savior in Thai. I know. And so now I go there, there is no savior or there is no other, that royal one who brings salvation, like no one else can do that. Yeah. Oh, I have this chills right now. I love that so much when I learned it. Oh, okay. This is so awesome. So read verses one through 24 and my quest for everyone today listening is I want you to read those verses and share with us how you found examples of God's inexhaustible love.

You can share throughout section 76. You can share just one through 24, but we, I would love to know how everybody else is seeing examples of this love. And I'll tell you where we got this from. One of the commentaries that I study with, it points out John chapter five, verse 29. I love that you did that, Laryssa.

And they said, you know, they hear what they said about that. Something so fascinating about this revelation is that the reaction to the saints, to the doctrines revealed in section 76 were not universally positive. That blew my mind. So the saints were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. I don't know about this section.

76. So it was a hard sell for some members of the church. It says, the old Orthodox belief that most of humanity would be tortured in hell forever was so ingrained in the contemporary religious thinking that Joseph's glorious message of God's inexhaustible love [00:28:00] and mercy was unwelcome to some. And that's when I was like, that is how we have to study this.

His inexhaustible love. And so that's what we did. The three of us studied deeply. And so in the next segment, we're gonna begin with Laryssa. And then segment five will be Jennifer and then myself and segment six, and we're gonna share with you what we found and the examples we found of God's inexhaustible love in Section 76.

We'll do that next.

Segment 4

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Alright. Grab something to mark your scriptures with, because these two women are seasoned seminary teachers, so be prepared, Laryssa. Hit it. Give us your example of God's inexhaustible love in this section. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm gonna take the meat. I, I hope, I hope that's good, you guys. Yes. I was pondering so much in Dr.

In Kevins 14 seven, where he says, if you keep my commandments and endure, you will have eternal life. And that is the greatest of all the gifts of God. So with that background, that, that the greatest gift he can give you, there's nothing greater than him giving you what he has. Right. Um, I, I often, when I teach section 76, I don't wanna spend a lot of time right before verse 50, so.

Mm-hmm. 25 through 49. I think we spend a lot of time with Satan and the sons of perdition. And so a lot of students will get like really caught up in that. And they're not looking for the actual meat and beauty and glory, which is eternal life, you know? And so I always say, well, we don't have a lot of time, so let's focus in on how to be celestial since, since that's all of the goals, right?

So this idea of it becoming a gift, Dr. In Covenant 76, 60, they shall overcome all things. I think that is merciful. I think that is an abundance of mercy that the savior has given us and provided an ability to [00:30:00] overcome all the things of this earth that bring us down. What a gift of mercy. You know? I mean, there's still.

There are still things that I'm working on, you know, in my life there are things that I can tackle and those are easier to deal with. But then there, there are certain aspects of living that are so hard for me to deal with. And this promise that, that with the Savior's help, you can overcome all of that.

That that's such a, a gift because you know, as a parent how long it takes to work with a child, you know, you can either do it yourself or you can sit down and say, all right, this is how you take the dishes out of the dishwasher. Now let's teach you how to clean your room now. Mm-hmm. And with all their, with all their issues, right?

They all have wonderful. Funky personalities and issues. And so to take the time to sit and work with them one-on-one, that is love, that is mercy. What a blessing for the savior to, to give us that ability to overcome in this life, all things. And then in verse 69, these are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus, right?

He worked out his perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood and perfect meaning, whole or complete. You can be made perfect whole, complete through Jesus Christ. Like the ending of this time period, your, your time that you're putting in. Who was it that said in, in, um, conference, uh, the Plan of Salvation Works, right?

Mm-hmm. It, it broke Brooke Hales last October. So beautiful. Right? It, this is not something that's gonna not work. Right. It, it really will work for you to be able to overcome and triumph with the savior. I think that is beautiful. I have a question, please. So tell me in verse 69, because the way you read it, which I loved, 'cause I heard you say these are they who are just men made perfect.

[00:32:00] Like I thought that was so interesting when you're like, that's how I heard it. They're just men made. Perfect. What does it mean? What does it mean when it says these are they who are just men? Yeah. Um, I think those were just mean. Yeah, I think we go back to the, at least the, the interpretation that I think of automatically is that the resurrection of the just Right.

Oh yeah. 'cause terrestrial people are also just, they're good people, but there's a difference between becoming perfect through your covenant with the savior and just being a good person, right through the, at atonement of Christ. And that to me is what that means, right Through the atonement of Jesus Christ, you have worked with him, you've participated in your own salvation, your own hassad, right?

You've participated good, these covenants with him, and you have overcome these things through him. Makes sense. And that's how it reads in verse 69, the perfect atonement. So that's cool. Thank you. No, I love that. And sorry, just men. No, that's how I heard it. You didn't say it that way, but I laughed at myself.

I'm like, they're just men made perfect. They're just men. I love it. And then. The most powerful thing is gonna be in verse 94, at least for me in this reading. They who dwell in his presence are the church of the firstborn. And they see as they are seen and know as they are known, having received of his fullness and grace.

So we were talking, right, Jen said at the beginning, agency determines our experience with God's inexhaustible love. Well, if you want to know God the way that he knows you, you have that right and that privilege. And so since we've been talking about receiving of his fullness and grace, right? The reception, I thought to Elder Karen's talk in April 25, just this last conference, to receive his gift.

I'm gonna read a little paragraph that he said in his [00:34:00] talk. I. He talked about the most important part is to receive the gift. Receiving a gift is not passive, but an intentional and meaningful process that goes far beyond merely opening a package to receive is to appreciate and connect with both the gift and the heart of the giver in a way that strengthens the bonds between the giver and the receiver.

Um, he talks about the toy car that he got from his father, which brings back golden memories as I feel once again my father's deep love and care for me represented by that gift and countless other generous gifts. Um, it is our right and privileged to fully participate in the events of our eternal experience with our savior.

And if we try to do it alone, we're, we're gonna miss out on all the beauty and glory of what this life can be. Right. With God's help I, and I think. Receiving the gift is one of the most important things. And so when the savior asks us to commune with him in prayer or at the temple or in our scriptures, it is because he wants to have that time with us the same way that he hopes we would want to have with him.

Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, your mothers, that snuggle time with your children is one of the most precious parts of being a parent. And, and that love is, is just really, really one of the most beautiful things that we can have. And, um, in Dr. Covenant section 88, 32 through 33. It talks about they who remain shall be quickened.

Nevertheless, they shall return again to their own place to enjoy that which they are willing to receive because they were not willing to enjoy that which they might have received. So in 88, they're talking again about these kind of levels. What law are we going to allow ourselves to [00:36:00] live and be sanctified through?

In 33, he says, what does that prophet, a man, if a gift is bestowed upon him and he receive not the gift, behold he rejoices not in that which he has given unto him, neither rejoices in him, who is the giver of the gift. If you're governed by law, you're preserved and sanctified by the same. That's in verse 34.

So then my next thought was to go through and look at. The word receive ins, section 76. Yeah. And as I went through, I found that right. Those who are celestial have received the whole gift, the Savior, the Holy Ghost, the fullness of the father. They have dug in and spent time with them and know them as they are known.

And then those who are sons of perdition are those who. Received the gift and then rejected the gift. And those who are terrestrial in verses 71 through 77, there's a partial reception of the gift. And in verse 82, those who are les, they receive not mm-hmm. The testimony they receive, not the baptism. They just didn't even want it.

And it's didn't want the gift. A very interesting way, at least this time through, you know, you said, ha, have we looked at it differently? Yeah. This time through it was very different for me to look at it with this idea of, are we receiving the gift that Heavenly father wants to give us? Are you loving him and letting him love you?

Mm-hmm. And so those are thoughts that, that I had. Well, I, I have follow up questions. So going back to verse 94, and I'm so thankful you shared that because that was something that I, I'm like, how have I studied section 76 this many times and never seen verse 94. That is so awesome. And I wanna know from you.

Little Laryssa Wilhelm, not Sister Waldron, but Laryssa. The Laryssa I know. Tell me why verse 94 was so tender for you. [00:38:00] Boy, ask a question like that. Um, speaking of little Laryssa, I remember the first day that I knew that God was looking at me. Do you know what I mean? We all have moments where we know that our prayers are answered or we know that things are happening, but there was a little moment where I was in fifth grade very lonely on a playground, and it was this moment when I just knew that God knew who I was and that, and that He and I were in essence, spiritually looking at each other, if that makes sense.

And it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't pretend. It was a real closeness that I felt to him. And it was the first time that it unlocked there. There was love before there was sweet. I am a child of God. There was a lot of, you know, tenderness in my relationship with Heavenly Father, but this was the first time that I could see him looking at me.

And I, I was looking at him and it was just a very, very sacred, and, and this idea that to see as you are seen and to know as, as you are known, that's a, that's a powerful thought, right? And that's what, that's what the sun does, right? When you, when you look at the daylight, you can see all things, right? If you're looking at.

Things in the light of the moon, you can't see all things or in the light of the stars, you can't see all things, but, but if you accept your relationship with Heavenly Father, your relationship with the Savior, and you accept the gift of the atonement, even though there are the moments that you don't feel like you're the best or you keep making the same mistakes, but if you.

Every day say, uh, yes, I accept the gift of repentance. Thank you. Yes, I accept that that kindness and I'm gonna try and do better in that relationship. And you're, you're constantly accepting it. You know, I think you come to the point where you can see that they do love you, which [00:40:00] is what other Karen was teaching in that talk.

Right? Yep. Accept that you're a child of God. Accept your eternal identity and reach out and take the blessings, right, and, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. It's, it's up to you to say, I, I want to learn today. Heavenly Father, please teach me. So thank you for that question. How about you, Tammy? Oh, thank you, Laryssa.

Oh gosh. I mean, I mean, fifth on the playground at fifth grade. That's pretty awesome. I mean, truthfully, that was such a good story, Laryssa. That is a good question and I'm, I will get personal too then, because when I read that they will, I. See as they are seen and know as they are known. I know for me in my own life, there have been so many times when I have seen myself as less and known myself as not as good as just all the self-esteem issues, right.

That this world puts on us. And it's awful. And I watch my daughters go through it and it's so devastating and I'm like, oh, I just want you to see you the way I see you, and to know you the way I know you. I, oh, I want you to know all of that. And I'm just picturing how I feel about my kids, all four of my daughters.

And then I think of Heavenly Father who thinks I'm even greater. And I always joke that I'm God's favorite. I, I tell everybody there God's favorite too. And I really do believe that. But I didn't as a teenager and as a girl in my twenties and even in my thirties, wondering if God really heard and answered my prayers.

And you know, I'd been praying for so many things and so. It was tender for me. I'm like, how did I miss that? I wish I could have known that verse when I was a teenager. Like I wish that someone had taught that to me. Maybe they did and I wasn't in a place to hear it. But I think I wanna start out with verse 94.

Every time I teach section 76, like that should be the first go-to. I don't know. I loved it. So thank you Laryssa. That was so good. What about what's in front of it that these, these individuals have come to the throne of God? Mm-hmm. And so in verse 93, before, who's thrown all things bow in humble reverence and give him glory [00:42:00] forever and ever.

That, that's the precursor to receiving this. And so much of our experience and mortality is faith. It's this, this act of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ that I'm gonna do my best. I'm gonna go ahead and kneel next to my bed tonight. I'm going to worship and praise and reverence and glorify him. And then the reciprocity is so much greater than the offering in saying, oh, I love that.

Now I'm going to show you who you are. And then what about the, I mean, this is kind of, you called it the meat, but look at the bread that surrounds it. Verse 95. He makes them equal in power and in might in demon dominion. It's huge That that, that's huge. And so the whole sandwich in saying this is worth it.

This is, I remember listening with President Henry b Irene during the April general conference. I'm gonna confess all my life. I've asked why, why bother that? It feels like I work so hard and it feels like I give so much. Why? Who's gonna minister to me? Who's gonna be the one that's gonna, that I feel like?

And he, president Irene, in that talk was so clear. The savior will, the savior will be the one ministering to you. And finally, in my old woman brain, it clicked. This is why I've acted in faith my whole life to serve and to minister, and to reach out to people when it felt like there was very little reciprocity.

In some instances, it's because the savior, the savior's, the one that's gonna make the offering and reciprocate it. That was brilliant. I wrote that down. The reciprocity is so much greater than the offering. Wow. That was good. That's, that could be a book. That's awesome, Jen. Wow, that was such a good line. I love that.

Okay, well, Jen's gonna teach us next. She's gonna tell us what she found as being God's [00:44:00] inexhaustible love in section 76. Can't wait to hear from her.

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All right. Jen, tell us. I can't, I'm so excited about this. You, I mean, Laryssa knocked it out of the park. You did. Awesome. Let's go for a double. Here we go. Hey guys. My whole life, I've had poor vision since I was, uh, seven years old. I remember my first eye exam. I remember walking out of the eye doctor wearing the glasses for the first time, and I was high stepping.

Um, I just, and now, I mean I remember I had cataract surgery a couple summers ago and they teased me and called me the pediatric that day. And Where are your balloons and suckers? 'cause I was so young getting my, my cataract surgery and I just don't see, well, do either of you experience poor vision? Do you know what I mean?

Or do you both have good vision? No, no. I've had glasses since I was young, so you kind of get it. But Tammy, you've got good eyes. Yeah, well I got the old lady eyes now that you get when you turn 50, but other than that I see pretty well. Sorry. Oh well that's okay. So here's what caught my attention all throughout section 76 we saw and we beheld Oh, that's good.

Over and over again. And, and here's something I think that's important. That is we approach the doctrine as we approach canon that. Our experience is gonna shape our experience with the scripture. So our life experience shapes the way we experience the text. And so for me to come from a perspective of, of not having good vision, right?

Um, so with that in mind, it started for me in verse 12, that in verse 12, Joseph says, by the power of the spirit, our eyes were opened [00:46:00] and our understanding were enlightened so as to see and understand the things of God. Now, I would say this is a good moment to just, and you can do it in your gospel library app so quickly and easily to just say, how many times does it say we saw or we beheld?

I think it's more fun to go in the paper scriptures and mark it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but there's a lot of ways that we can approach looking at this over and over again. Now they saw the Savior, they had experience with the savior. He says this in verse 13. Even those things which were from the beginning before the world was, which were ordained of the Father through the only begotten son who was in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning of whom we bear record.

And the record, which we bear, is the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the son whom we saw, and with whom we conversed in the heavenly vision. And he's gonna go on and describe this experience with them, and then he's gonna contrast it and that he's gonna talk about seeing the opposite. And I think it's important to spend some time with all that they did see with the Savior.

And those would be versus what, 15 through 24, 4. And that's where you took us and started us at the very beginning. And this idea that we see who we really are, which links to you, Laryssa, right? Mm-hmm. That in verse 24, when I know I am a begotten daughter of God, I see myself differently and then I can be, how does your verse go again?

Say it again, Laryssa. See as I am seen and know as I am known. Isn't that something so good? And so there's the true seeing that occurs. And then this contrast in [00:48:00] verse 25. And thus we saw also and bear record that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the only begotten son whom the father loved, and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the son, and was called perdition for the heaven's Wept over him.

There's mercy in that. Mm-hmm. So much. How often are we deceived in, in any given day with even the thought processes that we, we will give our attention to or the way we see ourselves and that it's inaccurate. Sister Rania did that for us in this last general conference to help us to reframe and to say, you need to see yourself properly.

Mm-hmm. But it has to come first from knowing who God is. Yes. Any observations that just, even this idea of going, we saw, and to be able to see their, their painting pictures in blacks and whites of, here's the savior, here's Satan. Yeah. I, I love that. And that idea of you, you see the heart of the father and the savior, as you pointed out when they wep weep over him.

Right. This isn't a get outta here and we hate you and, and you're bad. Right? This is a, a full sorrow because of their agency. What a beautiful way to see God, you know? Yeah. Even in the dark, right? Yeah. I wrote to the outside, I love the phraseology when you see it in scriptures, who was in the bosom of the Father and how it says that the savior was.

But it's also the same wording with Satan. It also says he was in the bosom of the Father. And one of the things that I've loved learning about that is in the Old Testament or New Testament, when you read that, it means a very close relationship [00:50:00] because the robe that people wore at the time they had the top was open and it was loose with a tight around the waist.

And the purpose of that is it created this pocket so that you could put little children or lambs inside the pocket and then carry it, especially one that was injured. You could just stick it in that little pocket and it could be carried. And I just like, I love this idea because he, and we read that throughout scripture where he talks about us also being in his bosom and that he carries us.

And how intimate of a relationship that Satan had with the father is. And how much we all loved him and how much the savior, you as a parent, you get that feeling just this like, ah, feeling. Which agency is so powerful, right? It is. Mm-hmm. And that, that was Satan's objective was to destroy the agency of math.

Yeah. And, and I, I think Laryssa, when you were talking about the cherished moments of snuggling a child. Yeah. It goes so well, Tammy, with what you just said of drawing someone to you, Eliza, our snow has talked about that. To say that we should draw our sisters to our bosom to go enter into their homes and draw them to us and hold her until all is made right in that home.

Mm-hmm. It's part of the work of the ministry that we're called to do that, that Joseph is saying, let me show you who you can become. Here are some different contrasts. He, they also saw flashing forward verse 57, they saw the order of Mel and the order of Enoch, which was after the order. And so, again, here are covenant patterns, here's priesthood patterns.

Here are the things that are gonna help you to become true. Sons and daughters of God through covenants, which King Benjamin teaches us that that's the way we become the sons and daughters. And it says that verse 58, [00:52:00] wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God. Wherefore, verse 59, all things are theirs.

Whether life or death or things present or things to come, all are theirs. And they are Christ. And Christ is God. And they overcome all things. Why? Because of the vision. Mm-hmm. And so as, as Joseph's describing a vision, and when he describes this, I remember this. From seminary where Sydney didn't handle it as well.

Right? Yeah. That's my favorite story. He was kinda wiped out and he and, and Joseph said something like, oh, he's not as accustomed to it as I am. Mm-hmm. I wanna be like Joseph. Yeah. That I wanna be able to see and have such a clear vision of what God has intended for us. That it's just everywhere. It permeates all of life.

Earlier I referenced President Oaks and this, this talk that he gave kingdoms of glory, and in this he talked about the family, a proclamation to the world. Here's his words. A uniquely valuable teaching to help us prepare for exaltation is the 1995 proclamation on the family. Its declarations. Clarify the requirements that, that prepare us to live with God, the Father and his son, Jesus Christ.

Those who do not fully understand the father's loving plan for his children may consider this family proclamation no more than a changeable statement of policy. In contrast, we affirm that the family proclamation founded on irrevocable doctrine defines the mortal family relationships where the most important part of our eternal development can occur.

And so to understand the doctrine of the family to understand any of God's doctrine, section 76 is gonna point us to the proclamation. Mm-hmm. [00:54:00] Now, the long point I'm trying to make is at some point in me teaching the family proclamation nearly every day for eight years, seven years, I had come to me a little phrase and it's become a mantra.

In fact, I heard one of my children say it the other day, and it's helped me to have a vision of what it's all about. Exaltation is the goal we're meant to become as God. Salvation through Jesus Christ is the way, and the family is the context. You see the vision there then. And if family life feels messy or complicated, it's okay.

It's what we're meant to see in order to learn who we are in order to become who we're meant to become. Wow. Section 76 is the pattern to exaltation, and it's about our conversion, about our patient becoming and our glorious responsibility to choose the savior over and over again because he wants us to bring us to the throne of God.

Brilliant. Oh, Jennifer, that was. It's so much truth in what you just taught us, and I love your mantra. I wrote that down. That's brilliant. Thank you so much for looking and diving into section 76 and now I, I started the, we see, we saw we be held and now, and just in the first couple of verses, but you're right, it's through out section 76.

So I'm gonna spend some time in my scriptures later today and I'm gonna go out and just continue to highlight those 'cause that is awesome. Thank you. Get a vision of the vision so you can get a vision of who you are. What are we meant to see? That's good, right? That the vision of this vision is about what we see and we get to choose what we'll see.

I'm so glad you don't have good si eyesight, so that we could have that experience. Thanks for taking one for the team. That was good. [00:56:00] My pleasure. I was blind, but now I see. Oh, this is so good. Okay, so in the next segment I'm gonna show you guys what I found of, of an example of God's inexhaustible love.

And this is so cool because none of us talked to each other. We didn't tell each other what we were gonna cover. And I thought for sure, I'm like, oh, surely they're gonna pick mine. And you didn't. And this is so cool. None of us picked each other's. So I'm gonna share with you what I found in the next segment.

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Here we go. I have a question to start us out with, and I wanna know your guys' opinion on this, and I don't even know if there's anything Dr. Lee written, so it's truly whatever you think. So we get this awesome vision, the vision section 76, and I love Jennifer, how you taught us that after the vision she's correct.

According to church history, Sidney was worn out like just so exhausted. And members recognize that, and Joseph was fine and it really, he really did say, Sidney is not as used to this as I am. And you can find that in the Saints. You can find it in, uh, Joseph's. The papers like it's such a good story. So they get this vision.

I wanna know what you think. Why did, why do you think the vision started with Sun of Perdition? And then went to Celestial Kingdom, because in my mind I'm like, I'm thinking you're gonna start with the best meat, right? Celestial kingdom and then work your way down. Kind of have this awesome moment. And then, but he starts with son of perdition, then Celestial Kingdom.

I'm just curious to know what your thoughts are on that. And I don't, there's no wrong or right answer. I don't even have an answer. That's, that's how I don't even know. I just wanna know what you think. I think it's a warning. Ooh, I like that. I do. I mean, I think, you know, in verse 27, I. There's this shock because it's one of the only places in scripture that you have exclamation points.

Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Look for those. And I think that's a [00:58:00] shock. I think that was what we felt like in heaven. We didn't know that people could fall. Do you know? I think this is a moment of real, um, trauma for us. Mm-hmm. And I think this is, this is the Lord saying, you know, you need to be careful that that's something that I talked about in four years ago.

Right. That anger can lead you down a path that is really, really ugly. And it can take you away from love and, and from God and, and, and all of us get angry. It's part of our emotions. It helps us, it helps us be able to protect. And it's a good emotion. There is power in it, but to live in anger can destroy so many, many, many things.

Mm-hmm. And, um, I think it's a warning, you know? Yeah. I like that. I like how you pointed out 27 the way it's written. You're right. I've never considered that. That reaction is a shock. All of us were like, can you believe that? I'm writing shock next to 27. That's good. Okay. Jen, any thoughts? My thoughts would be similar.

I the idea you have to taste the bitter to prize the good. Mm-hmm. And that, that's just a fundamental teaching of the doctrine of Christ. That, that there is going to be, there must need to be opposition. Second. If I two, and I was thinking this idea, this April general conference, when President Nelson taught us to have confidence in the presence of God.

To your point, Laryssa, how powerful it is, he said that contention prevents the Holy Ghost from being our constant companion. And so, so again, to be able to say it's it, I, I don't know. In my mind I'm seeing all these pieces come together that. That Nephi envision, he saw the great and spacious building as he's approaching the Tree of Life, that it's, it's a pattern that we find over and over in Visions.

Mm-hmm. [01:00:00] Oh, I like your answers, Laryssa. Yeah, go ahead. Well, no, I was gonna say, it's so interesting that, that you would take it to the Tree of Life because, you know, um. And also it connects with what Jen was saying right before, you can see as you were seen in verse 93, that, that you bow in humble reverence.

Right. And when you go into Nephi seeing the vision of the Tree of Life in first Nephi eight, there's the part where we have two different groups that are coming to mm-hmm. The Tree of Life. And they're holding on there clinging to the, to the iron rod, to get to the love of God. And the only difference that I can see, honestly, is that the second group in verse 30, they pressed forward continually holding fast of the iron rod until they came forth and fell down undertook of the fruit of the tree.

Mm-hmm. I think there is a part of humility Yeah. That you have to remember, yes, you are loved of God. You are, you are so beloved. But Jesus Christ did something that nobody else did. There is a part of us that does need to understand at the end of the day that the reason we get all of this is because of Jesus Christ.

And I think in, in 76, the sons of perdition don't remember that. And so they allow the anger to, to make mm-hmm. Mess them up. And those who clinging to the rod and then look at the other way, and then they fall away from the gospel. They're not kneeling in front of the throne either. There's a humility that you need to have to oh, be in a closeness with God.

Both of you answered perfectly and I didn't even know that that's how you would answer because this is so awesome. And so I just wanna add to what both of you said, and here's some of my thoughts about it too. And, and there's, I don't really know the answer, but I kept thinking on this over and over again, and this was my example of inexhaustible love [01:02:00] because when I read these verses of scripture in section 76, it kind of blew my mind that.

It's sort of like if anyone's ever seen the movie Princess Bride, there's a part in the movie where the people are about to get attacked by what's called R oss, which means rodents of unusual size. And I remember as a kid watching that and your heart is beating 'cause you're wondering are they gonna get attacked?

And then right in the middle of that scene it stops. And the grandpa who's reading the book says to the kid, now I can see you're a little bit nervous. And the kid's like, what are you talking about? And he goes, well I just wanna let you know they're gonna be okay. He kind of stops in the middle of them being afraid.

And it kind of makes me think of this part of the movie right here because he gives us this worst case scenario for Sons of Perdition. And I don't know anyone who is a son of perdition. It seems like it's pretty awful from the verses that we read. But then he kind of stops, he gives sons a perdition example and then he says in verse 39, for all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead.

Meaning everybody else who is not a son of perdition 'cause he's very clear, sons of perdition cannot be forgiven. But all the rest. All of us, every one of us will come forth by the resurrection of the dead, through the triumph and the glory of the lamb. This is in section 76, verse 39, and then he uses the word worlds so many times it's just beautiful in verse 40.

And this is the gospel, the glad tidings, which the voice out of the heavens bore record unto us. And here it is that he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness. So he gives worse case scenario, people who don't even want a part or portion of these glad tidings.

And then God stops that description to say, but for all the rest of you, look what you can get. Look what you have. And so I just love these verses in section 76 verses 39 all the way through 42 and 43. It's just beautiful. And those are kinda my thoughts. This inexhaustible joy for all the rest of us. [01:04:00] Who have not done what the Sons of Perdition did.

There's hope, and that is the most beautiful message of this vision. It's the vision of hope. It's the vision of inexhaustible love. And I loved finding that. 'cause again, how many times have I read this? And I've never seen it that way before. That even amidst the worst, God's still giving them a chance. He still wants everyone.

And then you go to Moses, this is my work and my glory to bring, to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, everyone. He wants everyone. So no matter again from Elder Holland, no matter how far you think you have fallen, it doesn't reach beyond the depths of the Savior's atonement. And I just, ah, I love it.

So that's what I came up with. Any thoughts? Beautiful. Throw yourself on the mercy of Jesus Christ. Right? Amen. I mean, that's, that's. What I say to anybody, you know when they start to say, well I am, I am this, I am that. No, you don't know. Just throw yourself on the mercy of Jesus Christ. On the mercy of the royal one who brings salvation on the mercy of the royal one.

That's really cool. Salvation. Yep. So that's section 76, you guys. Thank you. Thank you ladies. That was so good. Okay, so just do this really quickly. Gather your thoughts and just share what eternal truth did you learn from each other in our discussion today. And I'm gonna go first. Okay. Here's what I love, Laryssa.

I loved it when, and I wrote this next to verse 94 when you, when you said snuggle time. Mm-hmm. I love that, that idea that it's snuggle time with our father, with our heavenly parents. Oh, I can't wait for that moment. Like that was so beautiful. And then Jennifer, I loved when you said the reciprocity is so much greater than the offering that was.

Yeah, that was good both of you. You taught so much truth today and it was, I felt the spirit so strong as we had this discussion, so thank you. Thank you for coming prepared. Craig, what about you guys? I got two things. I love the way you kept saying the world and pointing that out, right? That he is the savior of the world of every last [01:06:00] being on the world.

Right? What a, what a concept. Mm-hmm. And then, and then Jen, I quoted it before, but I'm gonna quote it again. I loved it so much. Your agency determines our experience with God's inexhaustible love. You can have, can I, quick story? Yeah. Please. My, my dad, he would hang out with anybody as much as we wanted.

And my sister kept saying, well, how come you're doing so much with dad? And I said, well, I just keep asking him. And she's like, oh. And then she started asking him to hang out with her. Then I, I lost that on. But the great news is right, our heavenly Father and our savior, they're out of time and they have the time for us because that's their work and their glory.

Mm. And if you want time with them, that is. Very easily done, very, very easily done so that that, um, agency determines your experience with their loves. Mm-hmm. Love that. Love it. I keep having, um, feelings or thoughts about many of us who wrestle or struggle and say, well, I'm not a professional religious educator, or, I'm not a podcaster, or, I don't immerse myself, and therefore, of course you could talk this way.

And I just wanna speak really directly to that, that if you're listening, you showed up. Mm-hmm. If, if you're listening, then you're connected and you're striving for the connection. And I just, the feeling I've had over and over again is how much he wants us to experience his love, and I want to witness that.

That in this moment, I'm in a place where I can boldly declare it, but there have been moments where it's not so abundant and it's not so clear. And I just wanna say to anyone listening, this is your moment to [01:08:00] know your included. This is about you. And, and please hang on my words. If that's all you can do right now, because this is about you.

And, and as you feel and experience that, as your vision changes, as you start to see things differently, you'll grow into this and it will change. But I just, that's what's kind of just stuck with me through this whole conversation. This is for all of us. All of us. Wow. Well, there's no other way to end this than in the name of Jesus Christ.

Amen. Amen. Thanks ladies. That was great. Oh, spirit's so strong. Thank you. Thank you. Well, what eternal truth did you learn or relearn? Or maybe you just really believe that God has an inexhaustible love for you? Well, I'd love for you to go join our group on Facebook or follow us on Instagram to share what you have learned, and you can ask questions or just share a cool post.

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