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Segment 1

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Are you in the need of a miracle? Or maybe you've just recently experienced one. Because this episode today, and throughout this week, is a good one. Now, I wanna just share this with you, because Mormon asked a question in the Book of Mormon. He says, "Has the day of miracles ceased?" Has it? President Oaks said that, "Many miracles happen every day in the work of our church and in the lives of our members.

Many of you have witnessed miracles, perhaps more than you realize." This week's Come, Follow Me lesson of 2 Kings 2-7 contain so many miracles, and these miracles really do happen, not just in scripture, but in our very own lives. And I think by the time that we're done discussing this, we will be able to truly understand the words of Elisha when he prayed on behalf of his fearful young servant, "Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes that he may see."

Welcome to the Sundown Monday Study Group, a Deseret Bookshelf Plus original, brought to you by LDS Living, where we take the Come, Follow Me lesson for the week and we really dig into the scriptures together. I'm your host, Tammy Uzelac Hall. Now, if you're new to our study group, please follow the link in our description, and it's going to explain how you can best use this podcast to enhance your Come, Follow Me study, just like my longtime listening friend, Janice Nielsen from San Diego, California.

Janice, so good to meet you. Now, here's the best thing about this podcast, is each week we're joined by two of my friends, but sometimes it's three. And today I have three. You guys, I'm so excited. We have got the trifecta of goodness. That's what I'm calling these three women. Are you ready, ladies? Ready.

Ready. Oh. Oh, yes. Let's go. Okay. We have Lisa, Mirinda, and Rebecca the Mole Molan. I had to. I had to. That's her little, uh, radio name, but it really is a name they call you, right? Yeah. Yeah, the Mole. Yeah. Where'd you get it? Rebecca the Mole. Well, my last name is Molan, so. It just flowed nicely. It just was- I love the quiet ways.

Rebecca the Mole Molan. Mm-hmm. Rebecca the Mole Molan. The Mole. Okay, this is so fun. They are the trifecta of goodness. These women have known each other for a very long time. Now, I met Mirinda and Rebecca last year when you guys were on the podcast, 'cause we met in Costco. That just- My favorite place. Yeah.

Uh, obviously. Or, and, and in the cold section- Obviously ... which we loved. We talked there for so long that we were freezing. We're like, "Maybe we should go out where it's warmer." And then I got to meet Lisa, who connected you two with me, and then I was like, "Oh, we're all going on the podcast. This is happening."

So how do you three know each other? Well, I'm sitting in the middle, but Rebecca should be sitting in the middle 'cause she's the common denominator between the three of us. Oh. So Rebecca and Lisa knew each other, and then Rebecca and I knew each other, and then Rebecca introduced me to Lisa. But these guys have a very cool meeting story.

Yeah. No, we played, uh, w- fr- growing up in Arizona, different high schools, rival high schools- Okay ... so we would see each other, whatever. And Lisa thought she was really good. You should have seen her on the court. She was like all showboating. Dribble in between her legs. I believe... Just so you have a visual of my friends, they're all over six feet tall.

Like, all three of them are. They were all, like, so good at sports. I'll take it. I have high shoes on, but- Yeah. ... that I wear when I'm with these, with my bodyguards. It's so fun. So she's playing basketball. She's- No, first it was volleyball. So- Oh ... it was my junior year, her senior year, we started playing high school.

I like to refer to us as enemies. Mm-hmm. She said rivals. Yeah, no. And, um- She's kinder ... I think it was- We're all God's team ... at one We're on God's team. Anyways, you know, we, uh, found out that we were both members of the church, and it was kind of an instant bondship and kinship, whatever. Mm-hmm. And I looked forward to playing against her.

We played against each other in volleyball, softball, basketball. I high jumped. Did you do track? Yeah, I did. I remember. So our parents- Back in the day when you d- you could. Yeah ... our parents got to know each other, and then she's a smarty pants. She went off to the Air Force Academy. Yes. She- And we just have always been really good friends- She's-

ever since. She's bad. And then Mirinda and I played together as well, as you learned before. In volleyball. In volleyball. At BYU. Okay. And then one day, I get a text saying- ... from Rebecca, "Whatever Mirinda says, say no." I know. She did. Yeah. She said, "Say no." Say no. I was actually with you- Okay ... when it was all going down.

This is such... I don't know how much time we have for this- Mm-hmm ... but- ... that is how Lisa and I- Yeah ... got so close. So I was turning 40, and at 40 your body just doesn't do what it used to. I used to be able to jump. Mm-hmm. I used to be able to hit, used to be able to run, used to be able to do everything. Kind of 40s, I'm like, "I just don't run as fast.

I don't jump as high." She's a mom of five- Mom of five ... doing laundry. Yeah, no kidding. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, I'm sitting downstairs wrapping Christmas presents, and on... What's the everyday- Good Day Utah ... Good Day Utah comes on, and they had these girls on that were doing the inaugural women's football league.

Semi-professional women's football league. Semi-professional football league. They were the Utah Blitz. And I'm wrapping presents, and they're talking about when the, the, um- Tryouts ... tryouts are, and I'm like, "Could I make it through a football tryout?" What? She's Canadian, so she doesn't even know American football.

No. Even though she married a BYU football guy. I did. Sure. Okay. So I should've known, but I knew nothing till I started playing. So I go, "Okay, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm just gonna see if I can make it through. I'm 40, I'm old." I'm, I was turning 40 that year. And I think, "Okay, can I do it? Can I do it?" And I thought, "I can't.

I need someone." And I'm like, "Well, who else? Well, Rebecca." Rebecca. Because- Obviously ... when she was a kid- She's a homey ... she wanted, not just, like, your little powder puff little thing, she wanted a real football uniform- Mm-hmm ... from her mom- Mm-hmm ... from Christmas. Well, I wanted to play Pop Warner football, but my mom wouldn't let me.

Okay. Just being a mom. Her mom was very girly, and- She thought it was too dangerous. She let me play Little League baseball for four years- Yeah ... with all the boys, but she wouldn't let me play Pop Warner football. And her mommy would be very proud of her. She has lipstick on right now. It's true. So let's have a moment for that.

So- It's gorgeous ... I think, "Okay, Rebecca, Rebecca." So I text her and I just said, "You wanna go try out for a semi-professional women's football league?" I said, "Sign me up. When and where?" But I also thought she was kidding. Nope. Okay. And I was serious. Uh-huh. So, because- So we talk about it And I'm actually, while this is all going on, I was on, I was in, happened to be in Salt Lake City, 'cause I wasn't, I didn't live here at the time, and I was with you.

Yes. We were walking around. I'm like, "Hey, my friend Miranda wants to try out for this semi-professional women's football team. You should do it, 'cause she's a great athlete." Yes, very good. And she says, "What kind of health insurance does she have?" She goes, oh, she goes- Truth, truth, I can tell you all of it, everything

"Or, or life insurance, for that matter." Uh-huh. So we all three went to the tryouts in January to try out for this team. And here's, here's a funny one, Tammy. We weren't the oldest at the tryout. There was 55 women trying out. There was 14 men coaches. It was so interesting. It was so cool. It was so interesting, and- Uh-

we weren't the oldest, but I think I was, I'm the oldest here, and I think I was the fifth oldest there- Yeah, so there were people older than we were ... of the ladies trying out. Yeah. And it was so young, you know- Yeah ... high school graduate to- Mm-hmm ... to 45, I think. Nine. Yeah. So it- Did you make it? Well, of course we did, 'cause we're- It turned out we still kinda had some stuff.

Stop it. So we- Yeah, there's- ... we finish. We're high-fiving each other I think there's a human- We're like, "We still got it. We can still do it." We got something, yes. So we go to walk out the door- There's a human nature to be measured, right? Sure. And, and so they were timing, you know, how fast can you- Timing ... run the 40?

How can you- And cutting ... run this route? Okay. Yeah, yeah, and so- Can you catch? Can you throw? Yes, and it was, I mean, it was a serious tryout, and we were like- I am- ... "Oh, we did pretty good." Yeah. That, and that made us feel great, so. So we go to leave. We're high-fiving each other. We get our jackets, and by the way, I had, like, this Barbie pink jacket that she was like, "Seriously, you're wearing that to football?"

To a football tryout? Pink jacket. I could totally see you in that, Lisa. But before that, my husband's grandma died, grandma or grandpa, and he was leaving that day, and this was super early, like 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning. So I didn't tell him- ... because I was so embarrassed. I thought, "What the heck?" So before he leaves, I go, "Honey-" "I've been keeping a secret from you."

And his face just does this. And I tell him what I'm gonna do, and he's like, "You coulda said you were gonna, like- ... you don't jump off a bridge." Yeah. I don't care. He was like thinking the worst. But anyway, so we start walking out and two girls stop us. They're like, "Where are you going?" We said, "Well, we just came to try out.

We have no intention of playing." And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys need to play. You need to play." And so we're like, "No." So we did get out without staying for the meeting, didn't we? Yes, because we weren't gonna play. And one of the reasons why you guys didn't wanna play was because they were practicing on Sundays- They were practicing on Sundays-

and you guys didn't wanna do that ... and we were like, "We wouldn't do that." And they said, "Well, the coach is trying to get rid of that and you don't have to p- you can call and say you don't." So on our car ride back down south we're like, "Well, if we're gonna do it, all three of us have to do it or none of us are gonna do it."

And I was in the backseat and I'm like, "I'm out." I go, "I don't even live here." And she's the one that wants to play football. I'm the one, I'm the one that wants to play. Yeah. I go, "But I don't even live here. I live in New York. This is in Utah." It is true. They called her New York, by the way. Okay. Yeah, they did.

And I don't even live here and if I get hurt- Mm ... I can't work. And she doesn't have a spouse. And if you guys get hurt, you guys at least have husbands that- Yeah ... can help support you. Oh my word. For me it's just me. So I go, "I'm out. But if you two wanna play, I give you my 100% full support." And I'm practicing with them.

I'm like, they call. She's like, "Well, what do we do?" Lisa's like, "What do we do? What do we do if they call?" And I go, "Okay, let's practice. Bring, bring. Would you like to play? No, thank you. We just were trying out." And so I would practice for the wrong team. But it- But the, but the spirit of competition is in us- Oh

for sure. I don't know if you can tell just from this conversation. I mean- But anyways- This has made my day ... long story short- I love this story so much ... Lisa and I play the inaugural year. We didn't win one game. I was so jealous. Not one game. Um- Of course she was ... I had to have knee surgery, ripped all the cartilage off mine.

I had a carnal abrasion. She had, yeah, yeah. Oh my word. Like it was unbelievable. And the best, what, seven months of our lives. I mean it was- Amazing ... I, I, we're mult- I was a multi-sport athlete in college- Okay ... and played at a international level- Yeah ... on something and I was more fit- Oh You should have seen us We were cut.

I'm telling you right now- We were eating like teenage boys. We were like, "Ah, eat the-" You could not get enough. 10-year-old Tammy is freaking out. If we were the same age in the same neighborhood, there's no telling- You would not have done it ... I was Sporty Spice as a kid. Oh. I, one summer, carried a clipboard around the neighborhood- Oh

with names of kids on my soccer team. I started a soccer league in my neighborhood. And if you made me mad, I'd be like, "Sorry," and I'd cross your name off. Oh, my gosh. Oh. Oh, I was Sporty Spice. Ah. Played a little basketball in high school. Okay. Did a little track, shot put, discus. Yeah. But only for a couple days, and then I was like, "Yeah, I'm out."

Okay. But this makes me so happy. Okay. Yeah. Everyone listening is dying. So they wanna know what? But I just wanna know that I could take you. I could take you. I'm just saying. Yeah. Hands down. Not even, yeah. I mean, although I do do Pilates, so. Okay. I'm saying I'm- Well, maybe you still have some core strength.

I have core strength. Okay. You bet I do. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So anyway, it was super fun. This is so fun. It was. I loved it, 'cause I got to really know and love this woman. Where she was just always Rebecca's friend. Yeah. And Rebecca would always say, "You should hang out with Lisa. You'd really like her." I'm like, "Eh, sure I would."

Yeah. But we really- And here we are. Yeah, it's good. Three besties. Yeah, yeah. Okay, everyone. If you... I know you're dying to know what they look like- ... and you wanna read their bios. So we will have bios and pictures. Should I put our football picture? Yes, you should put your football picture. 100%. Do I have one?

I have one with us. I have one with us. With us? Okay. Okay, yes. Put the football picture in there. Oh, my goodness. I cannot wait. This is so much fun. So go to our show notes. Those are at ldsliving.com/sundayonmonday, and I know you're already dying. Everyone is. This is gonna be the most fun discussion. 'Cause we get to just talk about miracles, miracle after miracle after miracle, and hopefully some miracles from our own lives.

So everyone grab your scriptures and something to mark them with and turn to 2 Kings 2. Okay, here we go. First, first, first, tell me, ladies, what did the Holy Ghost teach you as you were just preparing for our discussion? Well, she, I just got, I just got pointed at, so Yeah We'll start with you They didn't know that.

You can just go That's all right. Um, so for me, I think these chapters were a little bit crazy Mm-hmm, mm-hmm I just, it was all over the place for me. I thought, well, don't mock a prophet Right Um, I thought he was a little bit harsh, but, uh, it, what spoke to me wasn't necessarily in chapter two, but it was in chapter three, and I'm just gonna go ahead and read it.

It's verses 13 through 15 Okay And this is when the kings all had joined together to go to war against Moab, and they wanted the prophet's help. And in verse 13, Elisha said unto the king of Israel, "What have I to do with thee? Get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, 'Nay, for the Lord hath called these three kings together to deliver them into the hand of Moab.'

And Elisha said, 'As the Lord of the hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. But now bring me a minstrel.' And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him."

And it's really verse 13, or no, 15, that spoke to me because the minstrel, or like a musician or a harpist or whatever, brought in the music, and I don't have one ounce of musical talent in me Mm-hmm But music speaks to me Wow It brings the Spirit in so strongly, and I feel like even the prophet, he could be a little bit harsh, sound like, but the music softened his heart Mm-hmm And then he was able to go ahead and Give his counsel, I guess is the best word.

But- I- Music is huge for me ... work a miracle. I love that you saw that, 'cause so many people miss that verse. Mm. And you are dead on. That is exactly what it means, and how cool to think that music really does do that. It's awesome. I think it's more powerful than most test- Yeah ... you know, person's testimony.

Oh, for sure. Like, it's the testimony of music- Mm-hmm ... that people, and I'm so jealous of those people that have that talent. Mm-hmm. Wow. Little bit. Very cool. Thank you, Rebecca. Mm. Well, and then we have to just say how fun Jeha- Jehoshaphat. Yes. Jumpin' Jehoshaphat. Yeah. Ha- we all learned that name through cartoons, right?

Cartoons. Right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Um, it was hard for me. I've been really preparing, obviously, um, and even just in my prayer before we met at my house to head up here, I kept saying, "What is it, what is it that I've learned? And, and is there a scripture?" Because we were talking about it and I was like, "I don't have a specific scripture."

That's okay. So I'm gonna go a little bit off of what Rebecca said, too, but I think it's seen throughout this whole thing. In my prayer, I was like, "What exactly did I learn?" Mm-hmm. Right? W- a- and I know it's about a prophet, and I thought, and prophets are to testify. He never really testifies. We don't really ever hear him say, "This is God the Father.

This is, this is Jesus Christ, our Savior." There, it's not in there. And- Or Elisha. Elisha, I would say, yes. Elisha, yeah. But Elisha, I'd, I'd, yeah, I agree. Right? And as he passes it and asks for double and all of that- Yeah, double portion ... we don't really hear it. And so- Yeah, I agree ... as, as I was thinking about these chapters, I thought But what it tells me is that God will always have a prophet.

Mm-hmm. It tells me that a prophet, just like you were talking about, is a natural man, a little upset at these kings for, "Oh, now you come to me? Nice try." Right? "Go talk to your others." But then he knows he needs to be softened by the minstrel and the music, and then he's able to, again, be a prophet of God.

Wow. Uh, and it goes through all of these, I think, um, where I, something that's really struck me as I was reading is very rarely did he actually do the miracle. He sent a servant. Yes. Right? And I'm like, I mean, we will get to Naaman, right? But Naaman's like, "Seriously, you didn't come out?" Mm-hmm. And I think that also that I've learned.

What does that mean? Christ doesn't have to do everything on his own. He's got us. He's got helpers. He's got prophets. He's got church leaders. Love that. He's got his helpers. Yeah. And whether it's them or whether it's the prophet himself, it doesn't matter. Mm-hmm. It's still true, and they can still perform miracles.

And so I don't have a specific scripture to lead to, but in these- Yeah ... that was my takeaway was that, uh, that prophets are men. Mm-hmm. They may make mistakes. There's a few in here, I think, where I'm like, "Yikes, have a little bit of mercy. Have a little grace." Um, and, and it's okay that we, we are all a little flawed as humans.

I think that's a great thing that they taught you. In fact, I'm taking so many notes over here, and I just love that. He needs helpers. And the level of humility we learn from that- Mm-hmm ... in the prophet, so thank you. Great one. Yeah. All right, Lisa. So I don't recommend this series, but this is what the Holy Ghost, I guess, watches Netflix.

Okay. There's a series that, uh, I won't say it by name, but y- Yeah, there's a person who dies. She didn't live a good life and, uh, but she goes to, like, a heaven. Okay. And the architect there- I'm just watching this. No. Don't only watch Season 1, I think. Okay, 'cause sometimes that happens. No, there is something that I think all the time, and I think this- is us.

Yeah. Yeah. So he, he's the architect of, of heaven. Okay. And, and he's good, and he's kind, and he's thoughtful, and he wants them, them to have the best spirit. And then there's a, a point, though, later where he actually is a bad guy. He's not the good guy, and so he's not kind. Spoiler alert. Sorry, Amanda.

Spoiler alert. No, I think I'm thinking of a different one. Okay. Oh, I might have watched this one, too. Oh, there is another one. Yeah. Anyway, so this is what I thought of with does God do miracles, or can he do miracles? And, and to me, it's not a can. It, it is that he does. And so the, the episode, yeah, total spoiler alert, is that, uh, he acts bad and unkind and impatient.

Um- Mm-hmm ... but he's saving them. Mm-hmm. And he's giving them clues, and then they figure it out, and they know how to escape because of the clues that he gave when he was rude about them, if you know what I... Yes. Does that make sense? Yep. So, um, one of the characters says to the architect, says, "Michael, you did it.

Your plan saved us. We got all four of your clues." And then Michael says, "Oh, great. Um, I actually left over 1,200 clues- ... because of your primitive brains, but I'm glad you got enough to figure it out." That's this story. Yes. That's us on Earth. God is- Mm ... everywhere. So many clues. He is everywhere. I love that.

So we can say, "Oh, He did this one miracle for me," and then, and now we laugh. Like- Mm-hmm ... He, I think He, I think the Holy Ghost says that's real. That line- Yeah. And that- Mm ... series, that's... You know what I mean? Yes. Okay. So- This is what I love so much. Yeah. 'Cause when I was reading this in preparation for our discussion, there's the typical stories, the, the miracles- Yes

that everybody loves to talk about. But then if you really read it, I was like, "Wait a minute, there's a miracle here, and there's a miracle in these three verses." Yes. And then- It is everywhere ... every time you turn the page, there's- You got four- Like, I have chills right now ... oh, good for your little primitive brain.

That's- No, thank you, Lisa ... that's the best that you got. Well, and- That's exactly it, the four miracles we cover, but there's, like- Yes ... so many in these chapters. Right? Yeah. Right. And so- Oh, I love you pointed that out ... and so, uh, Elder Holland, before, a couple months or, I don't know, he was about to be made dean at BYU.

He gave a... I wasn't a member then, uh, but the miracle of the internet, uh, says- Wow. And then I c- it, it was called, June 2nd, uh, 1974, uh, he gives a, a devotional, Born Upon Eagle's Wings. Okay. I, I, I don't know. I didn't go to that school, but, uh- But, but he talks about- ... That school. But I do appreciate- Sure, we heard, we heard the inflection on that

I do, I do appreciate, uh, the, i- the universities that we have around here. So, um, and so, like, in Galatians is, "Be not deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever, whatsoever man soweth that shall he-" Reap ... "also reap." But he pointed out this Hosea, and this is what came to my mind. Okay. Hosea 8:7, "For they have sown the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind."

Hmm. Meaning whatever you give or whatever, you reap back in kind more than ever, more than you had planned on. And so the miracle isn't just the miracle, but it's the, I find it's the miracle of abundance. Oh, I like that. Right? The miracle of generosity. And I feel like we're learning about that more than ever before.

Oh my goodness. Thank you. I'm writing all of this down. And that comes from Lisa 'cause she's one of the most generous people that I know. Oh, that's true. Well, if you wanna- Yeah, I am. No, no, no. I'm so generous. No, no, no. I... If you... Well, there's the, the kids, you know, go through MTC- Mm-hmm ... and they learn about characteristics of Christ and- Yeah

and how to be em- emulated. I have two daughters that went and served, and they all had characteristics of Christ. And so I did decide I wanna, I wanna be, like, generous like God. Yeah. And, and that is a joy. If you wanna try something, try that. Yeah. That's, that is- Well, that tells m- that helps explain a lot to me, because let me tell you about this person.

I barely meet her, right, at a lacrosse game, and we connect that we know each other. That's my only interaction with her, and as she's yelling, "Good goalie, good goalie, good goalie," right? I'm like, "Who is this lady cheering for both goalies?" Yeah. Uh, by the way. She's that generous. Yeah. The next day on my front porch is a Lego-size Old Testament tabernacle from her.

Wow. I barely know her. I was like, "Who does this?" Lisa. My kids were shocked. They're like, "She's the nicest." And I'm like, "Apparently I'm gonna have to be friends with her now." Well, I have to just go back, Lisa, with what you said, because as you just said, the miracle of abundance and the miracle of generosity, I think that is such a great caption for every miracle we're talking about.

Yeah. Because you read the miracle and you think, "Oh, that's cool," but then when you read it again, you realize, wait, there's more to the miracle than the miracle. I've never thought of that before, but you're right. Like, they got their miracle- Yeah ... and it continues to be- "For you have sown the wind and you shall reap the whirlwind."

Wow. I have to write that down. That's- Give us the scripture again ... Hosea 8:7. That is so cool. It's good. Okay. Well, this has been awesome. So here's what I wanna say about everything before we move on, because my favorite thing when I texted these women to be on this episode, they were rel- they were reluctant-

I will tell you that. And it took a little bit of talking then, too. But then when I told them what verses we were doing, I saved this text from Lisa because Lisa said this: "Interestingly, early Kings is a favorite, and discussing it with those I love seems even more Zion. Who can stand it?" "In my opinion, it contains some of the best evidences, and there are many, of God's reality and boss economy, and Isaiah's teachings of God's thoughts, not my thoughts, and my ways, not His ways.

God is good." Mm-hmm. Yeah, He is. Okay. Right? That's, that is right there what we're gonna talk about. And then Rebecca and I read the chapters and we were like, "What is she talking about?" Whoa. Some of the best? We'll see. Well, I wasn't, uh, raised in the church. We- Right ... my mom and dad married, and with seven kids, uh, not LDS, not Catholic, just big family.

Yeah. Fa- I- Illinois farm kids, and so that's, we just had big... So, and my dad was in the Air Force. We moved around, and wherever we went, we would go to whatever church had the s- Christian church had the strongest family program, you know? Mm-hmm. And, and so, and we moved every three years or something. And so I was like a professional vacation Bible school kid.

I love it. And, uh, Church of Christ in Wichita Falls, Texas. I, I, I f- I feel like when I met missionaries and I, I already had a testimony of prophets and how to treat them and how to follow them. Mm-hmm. Wow. And I felt like... I remember, I mean, I was nine, and I remember saying, "We have temples doing temple things?"

Hmm. "Like, here?" I, I just, it just blew me away. And so my Christian friends that, uh, you know, uh, taught the Old Testament, uh, New Testament stories or whatever, I, I'm grateful to them. Mm-hmm. I, I wish, I wish I knew, like, where they were or whatever. And my life is different now because I, bec- and, and Kings talks about authority- Mm-hmm

passing down. I mean, that's what we're gonna talk about. Uh-huh. Like, you know, and I was in the mil- I was in the military also, and so following authority is, you know, good discipline and order. Yeah. That's how you can have victory. So I mean, it's easy. Wow, okay. So. Well, knowing that about Lisa then, let's do this.

In the next segment, Lisa's gonna teach us about our very first miracle, and it's a good one. We'll do that next

Segment 2

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Okay, Lisa, hit it. What's the miracle? Mm. Give us the story. I cannot wait. This is gonna be fun. All right, 2 Kings 4, we're gonna read one through seven, and it's good because I actually know how this guy wrote and I know the inflection he wants me to do, so. Do it. Oh, great. Please do it then. No, just kidding.

You know your prophets. No, no, no, just kidding. Okay. "Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, 'Thy servant my husband is dead and thou knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord and the creditors come to take hi- unto him my two sons- Can, can I- ... to be bondmen.'"

Can I ask a question real quick? Can we define what, um, the sons of the prophets is? It's throughout all of this. Yes, absolutely. That's, like, your favorite question. I do. I love it so much. Okay, because this is so fun, and I love how you said it's throughout. If you just go to 2 Kings 2, you're gonna see it often.

Sons of the prophets, sons of the prophets. This is really important to know. So one of the things is, even going to pioneer time, this is where they get school of the prophets is from- Mm ... this wording right here, sons of the prophets. And it is believed that under Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha, these were men who gathered in situations of worship and important religious instruction.

So they could have literally either been sons of people who were prophets or it was just a group named Sons of Prophets who got- Mm ... together to study. But here's another interesting fact that Lisa shared with us before we started. Lisa, what did you learn about sons of the prophets? 'Cause I thought this was cool.

Yeah, 'cause so we're talking 2 Kings, but in 1 Kings, uh- Mm-hmm ... Obadiah is, uh, the governor of the bad king, and, um, they wanna kill all the prophets and all the religious guys. And so Obadiah saves them. Yeah. It's like the w- uh, he hides them in a cave and he feeds them bread and water. Yep. Mm-hmm. Something like that is what it says, right?

So these are, like, the religious men. Yes. Whatever. So even in Elijah's time, I mean, it's not just they pop up randomly or whatever. Seems to be an established thing. Mm-hmm. It's- And, and she says Obadiah. That's not the Obadiah, the author of that book of Obadiah. Different Obadiah- Yeah ... from what we understand.

But I love how you referred us to 1 Kings 18. You'll find his name in verses three through four. That's the belief that it's, Obadiah is the husband of this wife who cried to the prophet Elisha. Right, the woman. Yeah. Ah. That's what Josephus- Mm-hmm ... I have a friend who she does not care for Josephus as a historian.

I'm a fan. I love Josephus. Well, I know, and she likes to tell me- ... just because he said it doesn't mean it's true, which- ... is true for all historians. Sure. Right? So anyway, so Josephus, uh, postulated, I think, that, uh- Yeah ... Obadiah might be the husband who's now- To this wife ... to this woman. Okay. So the certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophet, and that would explain, uh, his familiarity with, uh- Yeah

Elisha. 'Cause she's like, "You know who he is." Yeah. Remember, he's the guy that hid all the prophets. "Thy servant my s- husband is dead. Thou knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord and creditors come to take upon..." And then so the, the debtor is coming to take her sons. Yeah. And that's- Uh, well, I'll keep going Please "And Elisha said unto her, 'What shall I do for thee?

Tell me. What hast thou in thine, in the house?' And she said, 'Thy handmaid hath not anything in the house, save a pot of oil.'" I will interrupt this as a little kid in Texas, or I was born in Tennessee or whatever, and I think all of us said, "Hey, she could make some fried chicken." Like, what is good for a pot of oil?

Uh-huh, uh-huh. But that's what she thinks, so I, I can't- Mm. You don't have much ... she inventories, "I don't have anything save a pot of oil." "Then he said," he being Elisha, the prophet, "Go, borrow thee vessels abroad of all thy neighbors, even empty vessels. Borrow not a few." Mm. "And when thou art come in, thou shalt shut the door upon thee, and upon thy sons, and shalt pour out into all those vessels.

And thou shalt set aside that which is full. So she went from him, and shut the door upon her, and upon her sons, who brought the vessels to her, and she poured out. And it came to pass, when the vessels were full, that she said unto her son, 'Bring me yet a vessel.' And he said unto her, 'There is not a vessel more.'

And the oil stayed. Then she came and told the man of God. And he said, 'Go, sell the oil, pay thy debt, and live thou and thy children of the rest.'" Wow. Vert, when you said earlier in your, the thing the Holy Ghost taught you, now verse seven, that is it. Verse seven is the miracle of abundance and the miracle of generosity.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just love that you taught me that because her problem was solved. She could pay the debt, but then He's like, "And now you'll have the rest to live off of." You can live. A bunch of money. It's freedom, right? In the profession of arms, as we're interested in, uh, preserving freedom, liberty for the people.

So that, I mean, these s- it strikes me that, uh, y- you would ask to say, "Hey, what was she feeling?" And when you have that freedom- Mm-hmm ... uh, threatened, then a mom, a dad, a parent would be desperate. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was thinking where you tied it back to what she said, something I wrote on that is he said, "What, what would she-" What do you have?

Yeah. What, what do you have? He worked with what she had. Yes. Mm-hmm. And all she had was a little bit of oil. Yes. And He said, "All right, well, let's get more vessels-" That's a boss economy ... "and we'll just make that grow." Yeah. The economy, God's economy is that. You're right. I love it, how you call it the boss economy.

If I- Yeah. He has two, you know, s- Yeah ... has fishes and loaves. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And not only does it feed everybody, there's leftovers. Yeah. So that's this, enough and to share- Right ... provident living. Yeah. We give and we get and go. Yeah. Yeah. But I also, before he even asked, "What do you have?" What- What do you want?

What do you ask of me? What can I do? What shall I do? Because I feel- That's a miracle of a prophet listening ... right. Well, but- Yeah ... you know, it's, like, I could go, like Heavenly Father would be like, "W- well, what are you asking? What do you want from me?" Mm-hmm. You know, you have to think about what is it that we, what do we desire?

Yes. What is the desires of our hearts? Mm-hmm. And then what do you have to offer as well? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and I saw that through this a lot, too, right? He'll say something like, "Uh, well, I already knew," right? In the bed chambers, I knew- Yeah ... even though he wasn't there, and then He'll say, "Oh, it was hid from me."

Yeah. Like, I didn't know that. God already knows what we need and what we want. Mm-hmm. But he's gonna ask us to. What is it? So that we can decide. Well, and that, I love that so much you brought that up, because when I read that, "What shall I do for thee?" I wonder in her mind if she was like, "Pay my debt." Yeah.

"Like, that's why I'm coming to you. You know what I need you to do. Can't we just, can't you write a check and we'll call it good?" Like- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... my, if, if it was Obadiah who was her husband, we spent all of our savings to feed the prophets hiding in the cave, so you kinda owe me. Like, I, I would be thinking that, but she doesn't say that, so he's just like, "Well, what, what should I do?"

And how interesting that he has her do something so bizarre. Mm-hmm. It doesn't even make sense. Mm-hmm. Pour, I only have this little bit of oil, and then it, I'm imagining, too, go gather everything in the neighborhood- Uh-huh ... so, like, every Tupperware container you can find, go to the neighbors, get everything, and- It's like a, a wedding reception here in Utah.

Yeah. You're gonna gather all your friends. All of your friends. Everybody, yeah. But to think that she's gonna trust that- Yeah ... and not be like, "The, you're crazy." All right. "There is no way." Well, and her sons helped. Yeah, to Rebecca's point, uh, he leaves. He doesn't go. Right. And then he says, "Take your family- Mm-hmm

shut up, uh, shut yourself within and- Yeah ... and do this." Why do you think he said that? Yeah. Well, because God is about family. Oh, I like that. Oh. He organizes a family. Great perspective. It is not perfect always, right? And it's, a lot of things- That's cool ... not straightforward, but- Mm. Mm. But I do love this idea of the boss economy, 'cause God's boss economy is of generosity and abundance.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that was a great retelling of that story, Lisa. Thank you. So good. So we've learned so much from that. Is that it? Yeah. There, you got anything else? No. No. Oh, okay. That's it. He says, "Go" - Yep ... and she does. The prophet says, "Go," and she does. And then she comes back and he says, "Go," and she does. She does.

I love it. And it's freedom for her family. Mm. Oh, my goodness, and that's just the first miracle of 2 Kings 4. So thank you. That was great discussion. Okay, so in the next segment then, we are gonna tackle a miracle that starts in verse 8, and Mirinda is gonna help me tell it. It's one of my favorites. I think it's my favorite story in the Old Testament.

Really? Yeah. I'm so glad I get to do it then. I know. You'll have fun. Okay, we'll do that next.

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Okay, this is my question for you. Can you guess, it's actually really not a guess, you'll probably know the answer. What would you say is one of the most well-known, common, everyday Hebrew Jewish words said on a daily basis? Or when you think of a Jewish word, what do you think of? Shalom. Me too, shalom.

Brilliant. Fantastic. I was hoping you would say that. I didn't even prep them, you guys. They really did do that on their own. Okay. Very Jewish. I love it This is fun because the word shalom is in here, and it's such an important word- Oh ... in this miracle. So I get to tell the beginning, 'cause it's my, it really is my favorite miracle.

Like, any time I have the chance to speak, this is my go-to story. I love telling it. So get something to mark your scriptures with, 'cause I'm gonna give you some really fun things that you're gonna wanna know what it means, and then I will get to a part in the story, and then I'll pause and then let you pick up, okay, Miranda?

All right, here we go. So start in verse eight. It says, "And it fell on a day." You wanna highlight that first, because actually in Hebrew, it's not, "It fell on a day," it is, "It came to pass." Now, this is important, 'cause you're gonna see this a lot in the Old Testament. Yes. In fact, in verse 18, it says it again, "It fell on a day."

Now, the reason why it doesn't say, "It came to pass," is because when the translators were translating the Old Testament, it happened so many times. In fact, in the actual Hebrew Old Testament, "It came to pass" appears 1,200 times. Hmm. But you're not gonna find it that many times in the Old Testament, because they were like, "It's redundant.

Let's do something like, 'It fell on a day.'" So that's kind of a fun fact. Then I think of the Book of Mormon. Mm-hmm. If you go to 1 Nephi chapter 16, and there's, like, 31 it came to passes in 39 verses. It almost says it in every verse. Hmm. It's over and over again, and I just imagine Joseph Smith there with Oliver Cowdery.

And Oliver's like, "Uh, we've said this so many times already." And Joseph's like, "Sorry, I, I don't have to tell you. It's right here." And it's a Hebraism, so that's what's so cool about it. Okay, let's go back into the story. "So it fell on a day that Elisha passed to Shunem. There was a great woman." Highlight great.

We don't really know if that means, like, she was great awesome or great wealthy. The word could be either way, so she could have a lot of wealth, which we think she does based on what she does later. Yeah, yeah. "So she constrained him to eat bread," this prophet, "and so it was, that as oft as he passed by, he turned in thither to eat bread."

So Elisha knows this is the place where he can go for food. Then she says to her husband in verse nine, "I perceive that this is a holy man of God." Highlight the word perceive, because in Hebrew, it's actually the word yada, which means I know, which changes the story for me. So she says, "I know that this is a holy man of God, which passeth by us continually."

Then I love it, verse 10. Mm. "Let us make a little chamber." Isn't this so funny? I can't imagine if I said to Jim, "Hey, we're gonna add on a room." Uh-huh. We're gonna build and add a... He's like, "No, we're not." All she does is uses a wall. She says... Yes, exactly. "Let us build a little chamber on the wall, and let us set for them, him a bed, a table, a stool, and a candlestick.

And it shall be, that when he cometh to us, he shall turn in thither." And the cool thing about this is that a lot of scholars believe that there should be a bed in there- But the, there's not normally a table or a stool or a candlestick in a bedroom, and some scholars believe she put those in there because she knew he was a prophet and would need to receive revelation at night, and that he would need a place to sit and write.

So I love that. Okay, then verse 11, "It fell on a day," or it came to pass, "that he turned in the chamber and lay there. And he says to Gehazi his servant, 'Hey, listen, let's call this woman and find out what she needs, 'cause she's been so good to us. What could we do for her?'" And so Gehazi, they talk about it, and they're like, "Well, maybe we'll put in a good word for her with her people."

And so they call her in and say, "How about that? How about we put in a good word for you?" And I love how she's like, in verse 13, "Yeah, I don't really need that. Don't, I don't need a good word with the king." 'Cause she says, "I dwell among mine own people." Don't you love that answer? Yeah. Like- Uh-huh ... I'm good with them.

They know who I am. Right. So then he says, "Okay, well, what should we do for her?" And then I love Gehazi in 14, "Well, she doesn't have any children and her husband's old." So Larry, we love this age thing. He calls to her and then he, and says to her, listen, in verse 16, "About this season, according to the time of life," now highlight that.

That is a phraseology in the Old Testament. They use the exact same phrasing for Sarah in Genesis 18:14. They say to Sarah, "According to the time of life," which literally means one year from now. So in exactly one year from now, you are going to have a child, and it worked for Sarah, and it's gonna work for this woman.

So I love though, and I want you guys to rephrase verse 16 for me, 'cause he says, "About this season, according to the time of life, thou shalt embrace a son." And she says, "Nay, my lord, thou man of God, do not lie unto thine handmaid." Go ahead and just give me your own interpretation of that. You're crazy. Love it, right?

Right. And I are you really sure- You might be a man of God, but it's not gonna happen. If I'm at that time of life, I'm not sure if I really want- I know. Oh ... a kid. It's a lot of work. Yeah. My husband's old, remember? Yeah. Really old. Oh, that's so fun. Okay, absolutely. So verse 17, "The woman conceived. She bare a son at that season that Elisha said," so a year later.

Then in verse 18, "When the child was grown, it fell on a day," or it came to pass, "that he went out to his father, to the reapers. And he said to his father, 'My head, my head!' And he said to the lad, 'Carry him to his mother.' And when he had taken him and brought him to his mother, he sat her on her knees until noon, and then died."

So sad. So sad. So w- no one really knows what happened other than maybe he was hit in the head or cut 'cause they were reaping. What we do know is he dies. And in verse 21, how tender that she goes up and she lays him on the bed of the man of God and shuts the door behind her and goes. Now, as she leaves she says to her husband in verse 22, "Send me, I pray thee, one of the young men and one of the asses that I may run to the man of God, and come again."

And he said, "Wherefore wilt thou go to him today? It's neither a new moon or a sabbath." Like, he's like, "You can't just go talk to the prophet. Like, it has to be a special occasion. Is he at the tabernacle? You can't just go to his house," which would be a normal answer I would think. But I love her response, and she says in verse 23, "It shall be well."

Highlight that, it shall be well Then she saddled an ass and said to her servant, "Drive and go forward. Slack not thy riding for me except I bid thee." And when she came unto the man of God to Mount Carmel, it came to pass that the man of God saw her afar off that he said to Gehazi his servant, "Behold, yonder is the Shunammite."

Now, this verse is the best, verse 26, "Run now, I pray thee, to meet her and say unto her, 'Is it well with thee? Is it well with thy husband? Is it well with thy child?'" And she answered, "It is well." Now what I love about it is well is in Hebrew it's not it is well, it's one word and the word is shalom. So she says to him in verse 23, "I know it's not a new moon, I know it's not a Sabbath, but shalom.

It's going to be well." And then the servant's like, "Is it well with thee? Is it well with your husband? Is it well with your child?" And no, it's not actually. It's not well at all. But for her to answer shalom is so powerful because the word shalom in Hebrew is really significant. And here's what you wanna know.

It comes from a Hebrew word shalam, which means complete, sound, to make whole, but how cool is this, to restore a lost thing, to recompense for good. And then shalom itself is peace, wellbeing, prosperity, especially in a covenant relationship. So here's this woman who's saying, "Oh, it's shalom," when it isn't shalom at all.

And for me that verse strikes me because I feel like answering it is well or answering shalom when it isn't shalom, it might be one of the most covenant-keeping things that we can do. To completely put our trust in the Lord like, oh, it's not shalom. Wow, it is not shalom right now. Yeah. And for her to go, "It, it, it is well," or, "It's going to be well.

It better be well." You can just think of all the different iterations of answering that question of the servant. Mm. And so that, that, to that point, is my favorite story because then you go to the song It Is Well. It's so very good. Do you love that? I love it. Why do you love it? Well, it makes my soul feel well.

Yeah. And we've just added it now to our new hymns. The man who wrote it, his name is Horatio Spafford, and I've shared this story a couple times on the podcast, but it's just so tender because he's in the Chicago fires, and right before the Chicago fires happened, his son died of, I think, the scarlet fever.

And then he loses everything in these fires 'cause he's a, um, real estate investor, and he says to his wife and four daughters, "You guys need to go to England. Like, our family needs a break." So they get on a ship, they go to England, and it capsizes. They all die except for the wife, and then she sends a telegram back to him that...

And all it says on the telegram is, "Saved alone. What shall I do?" Mm. So he jumps on a ship, heads to England to meet her, and the captain of the ship says to him when they're crossing the part where the ship had sunk, "Hey, this is the spot where your, your daughters died." And that's where he pens the lines to the song It Is Well.

Mm-hmm. And now every time I sing It Is Well, in my mind I'm like, "Shalom. Shalom." Mm. "It is well with my soul." I just, oh, I love that. So that's my favorite miracle right there. Okay, but usually when I teach this, I end it. I never tell the rest of the story. Oh. I want people to just feel like that's it. Yes.

It's just, right? Shalom. Yeah. So you ready? Mirinda- I'm ready ... teach us the rest of the story. Well, and I think that you have to tell the rest because it's kind of w- who was that commentator who said, "The rest of the story"? Oh, yeah. Paul Harvey. Paul Harvey. Yeah, Paul Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. Um, because I, too, just as I've been studying this, have loved it, um- And super relatable.

Yeah Like, He gives, He takes away. Yeah. Mm. He gives and you're like, "That's rude." Mm-hmm. I love that. Right? That's rude. He takes away. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I just so loved the faith of this woman, and I think even down to where you said she didn't perceive, she knew He was a man of God- Mm-hmm ... and built a little bedroom for Him.

She didn't put that child on his own bed. She put that child on his bed. And I just think that that's very symbolic of, "I'm gonna go get him- Mm-hmm ... because I know you will be fine. I know it will be well." And then I think what's really interesting is as we get to 27, "And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet, but Gehazi came near to thrust her away."

I'm like, "Come on, Gehazi. You've been to my house." Yes. "You know I know him. He recognized me and sent you to ask if my husband, if I-" Oh, I like that. Right? And so you're like, "Why?" So maybe you guys know the answer of why that might be, but I was like, why would he act that way to someone that he knew? He's been in her home.

Why would that be an odd thing? Because in my head- Mm-hmm ... it's her saying, "I'm finally here," right? She tells the lad that takes her on the ass, "Don't even take any time," which must have been so uncomfortable, but she was like, "Nope, I'll go. Don't give me a, you know, don't stop for, for my sake," which they probably would have- Mm-hmm

if she was a great or a wealthy woman. And then I just love that he says, "No, no, no, no, no. Leave her- Mm-hmm ... for she's vexed." So even though we got the answer that all was well, he knew it was not And so he doesn't say, "Okay, let's go. Let's go take care. Let's, let's r- let's, let's revive your son. Let's check on him.

Let's see what's happening." Mm-hmm. He says, "Okay, Gehazi, gird up your loins. Hustle up. Take my staff. Go. And if someone salutes you, don't salute them back. Don't stop for anything. Go." And so he does, right? Gehazi does as he's told, and he goes with the staff, and he's to put it on the child's face. That's in verse 31.

Does it, but a miracle didn't happen. The child was not, was not speaking. There was no voice, no hearing. And he, he comes to meet him and just says, "It didn't, it didn't work, Elisha." Yeah. And, and maybe even for Gehazi, everything that we read, everything worked, right? So he's the servant that's does whatever Elisha says, and this might have been the first time it didn't work, and he didn't know what to do.

And then what I love about this woman is she says, verse 30, "As the Lord liveth," again, there's a testimony, right? Mm-hmm. Testifying of, of, of Christ. "And as thy soul liveth," meaning, and as you are- Yeah ... a man of God, "I will not leave thee." Mark that in your scriptures because that, and you'll s- that wording right there is called the oath of all oaths, according to Hugh Nibley.

It's the exact same wording that Nephi uses with, um, Laban's servant. Oh. "As the Lord liveth- Ah ... and as I live- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... we will take care of you." So you'll see that often in scripture. It is the oath of all oaths. Don't you love it even more? She's like, "As the Lord liveth and as I live, I am not going to leave you."

Like, you better make this right. Yeah. So what does he do? He gets up and he goes with her. Yeah. And so Gehazi ends up saying it doesn't, so Elis- Elisha goes in. And I've got to say that at first when I read this, there were some creepy things that happened in these chapters, right? And at first I'm like, "Really?

A grown man laying on a child mouth to mouth, eye to eye?" Mm-hmm. Like, right on top of him? That's a little creepy. For us it would be. And then this was, this was my, my huge God's blessing to me is, of course we're recording this earlier, so I was just listening to your podcast with Eva- Yeah ... the artist, and it w- was just talking about her with her daughter who was the, right, laying on Christ.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And this had been a little creepy to me. But when I listened to that, I went, "Just as Christ takes our all, we can have our feet bare, we can have our hair fall on Him, we can be with Him. That's what He did to this child." Mm-hmm. He gave His all. He stretched Himself and laid Himself completely on him to give all He had to this child.

Wow. Yeah. And so if I had not listened to that, I may not have had this moment. Um- It's a beautiful way to look at those verses. I love that, Miranda. And then I think, too, then he returned in verse 35 and walked in the house to and fro, meaning he's pacing. Uh, this woman has such faith in me. Normally Gehazi can, can, uh, use my staff and it's done.

Mm-hmm. She wants... I, I promised her this child, now it was, uh, to being taken away. He's pacing, and so he goes back in and he does it one more time. And, and I know the significance of seven, which I'm sure you'll tell us, my friend Tammy. The child sneezes seven times, and then the child opens his eyes in verse 35.

Is there significance to that? Yes, seven in the scriptures means complete or whole. Yeah. Right? Yep. And I know we're gonna talk about The Handmaid, but that was also something that you shared in another... That, you know, the three plus four equals seven. Mm-hmm. And so as I saw that seven, it just resonated with me.

So complete, so he was complete. Yep. And then he called Gehazi and said, again, he didn't go tell the woman. Yeah. He says, again, "My servant, go get her and tell her to take her son." And then I love the last verse of this section- Oh, yeah ... verse 37 that says, "Then she went in and fell at his feet and bowed herself to the ground and took up her son and went out."

Uh, just such gratitude. I think this woman shows faith, uh, resilience, gratitude, uh, I think even problem-solving, right? Mm-hmm. Her child comes in, I know exactly what to do, and I don't care if it's not the day to go visit the prophet. I'm going. Yeah. And d- no one's stopping me. And, and so just the things that she, she shares in this is she's just a very emotionally, mentally strong woman.

Mm-hmm. But also spiritually such a strong woman. She knows. There's no doubt of what's gonna happen. Yeah. And then she gives gratitude after Yes, I love that She doesn't just say, "Yeah, I knew it happened." And, and we don't know whether she was a covenant keeping woman or not, but using the shalom would lead me to believe that she must have known something about that word.

And just how powerful to think, like, going back to what you said, just l- letting the Lord just, with our hair disheveled and however we look, that as covenant keeping women, we know we can just go to the Lord with all of it and just say, "I, I need your help. You gotta help me out." Mm-hmm. Going back to that moment, tell me why that was so tender for you.

I love art. Similar to Rebecca who can't do anything musical, I cannot do art, and I want to so badly. Yeah. Um, so I just want you to know that I never actually went and looked at the art yet. I just had it, the description of what you had given. And, and so I, uh, my hair's up, but I have very long hair. I've always had long hair, and I just saw myself- Mm

leaning on him, and how many times I've had to do that. Um, and I don't know if I'm as strong as she is, but I, I would like to believe that I have the faith and the gratitude after, but I don't know that. I just could picture it in my mind. Yeah. Um, and just there are so many moments. We were just talking on our way here about, I was like, "If I have to live life over again, I am done.

I am tired." "I'm not doing it. I don't know how many times- Right? ... I've been here, but..." And I just thought, "I'm weary." Mm-hmm. "I just want to give it," and that's what that picture, the description. So I haven't seen it yet. Oh, I can't wait for you to see it. But I, I would, I, I'm, I'd like to believe I have it right in my head, but y- yeah.

So it was wonderful. Oh, well, thank you. And as two of her best friends- ... she is strong as the Shunammite woman. Yeah. She is. Yeah, no, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. What a great way to tell that story. Thank you. Yeah, it was so great. So much. I'm so glad I got to do it with you, your favorite one. I know. Wow, I feel so honored.

Yeah. Well, you're welcome. That, okay, so there's another miracle story, and again, going back to this, I mean, Lisa, I love how you set it up, just the miracle of abundance and generosity. Yeah. More. You see the miracle, but then so much generosity. versus miracles of life and healing- Yes ... and hope and health.

But even for her then to go back in 37, to fall at his feet, to bow herself to the ground, that is such generosity- Yeah ... and abundance of thankfulness. Like, I love this. This is so cool. Mm. So great. Awesome. Love it. Okay, that's that miracle. Now we have another miracle. So, well, actually, let me say this though, because one of the things we did say is there's still more miracles, so if you want to bracket off, verses 38 through 41, miracle.

42 through 44, miracle. And little ones like bread and grain is multiplied. I mean, it's just crazy. But we're gonna skip those because there's a sweet miracle, and Rebecca is gonna tell us about the one that's found in 2 Kings chapter 5.

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So before Rebecca goes into her story, I have to set this up by saying next to chapter five right there, I want you to write a cross-reference. I want you to put Numbers chapter 31, and then we're gonna turn there really quickly. Everyone needs to know this going into this story. So go to Numbers chapter 31 And we're not gonna read it, you just need it for reference.

In Numbers 31, specifically verse 9, you can bracket off verse 9, but this- Mm ... contains what we call the law for the spoils of war. It's how you formally divide the spoils of war. That's what chapter 31 is all about. In fact, in verses 25 through

32 is a formal division of how you're going to divide spoils of war. But in that verse 9 that I had you mark, that constitutes what the spoils of war can include. So let's do this really quickly. Lisa, can you read verse 9 for us? Oh, that was me. You bet. "And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods."

There it is. So anything's fair game in spoils of war. Now one of the things we need to remember when we read the Old Testament is to resist the temptation of historicity, because you read that and you're like... And we should, absolutely. But Old Testament time's different. So knowing that then, you want to know that little background as we get into the story in 2 Kings chapter 5, because there is a potential spoil of war here, and miracle story is all abundant.

So Rebecca- It's all abundance ... hit it. Well, we're just gonna start right off with, uh, chapter 5 verse 1. I'm just gonna read that. "Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honorable, because by him the Lord had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valor, but he was a leper."

Mm. Wah, wah. Ew.

And we don't really know the extent- Mm ... of what his leprosy was. Mm-hmm. But it couldn't have been very good. Right. And also back to your spoils of war, in, uh, in some of his wars, he had taken captive a little Is- uh, Israelite gal- Mm-hmm ... and turned her into the handmaid for his wife. And as she is the handmaid to the wife, I think she can see that the wife is kind of struggling, he is struggling with his leprosy, and in verse 3 she just shares her testimony of a prophet, that there's a prophet that could cure her husband of leprosy.

And first of all, for her to be brave, to, like, say something- Mm-hmm ... like, if you're a captive, if you're a pers- I mean, it could have been a good thing for her, I don't know. I mean, he said he was nice, that he was honorable, but if you're a slave, I'm not- Right ... really willing to- Yeah ... you know, give good- Yeah

advice to someone. You know, someone- To help, to help them out. They've, they've enslaved me. Right. But she has such a strong testimony and a love of Jesus Christ that she's like, "Oh, hey, I know about a prophet and he could help." But the fact that she, the wife, listens- You know, to a handmaid and s- and takes that to her husband because that's kind of huge too.

Like, who are you that I'm gonna listen to you? Oh, absolutely, 'cause what would this leprosy mean for them? Why, why do we want to include that little piece of information? You're just ... You ... Well, I don't know that much about lepers or leprosy, but, I mean, like, you're on the outs. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it would be painful too.

Yeah, and- Whatever it is, but no one, no one wants to be around you You're totally right. I mean- And I was thinking that too, it, where they talk about, like, a great man with this master, honorable. The fact that he's, still has leprosy- Mm-hmm ... and is able to continue his role that he has, he must have been pretty great.

Yes. Yes. Because normally, right, they're like, "Oh, you're out." Correct. Cast out. So they know that his fate, if it doesn't get better, it's over. Right. And his wife, they lose everything. Mm-hmm. And so I love how you've pointed out this little maid who, I mean, she could be so angry. In fact, I wonder if she knows that her future might mean she would become a concubine for him.

Traditionally, that- Ah ... is probably what would have happened to her. And so here she is, away from her family. She's a spoil of war. And then, in fact, read her little testimony. I love her wording in that verse, in verse 3. "And she said unto her mistress, 'Would God thy lord were with the prophet that is in Samaria, for he would recover him of his leprosy.'"

So her testimony is he's so sure, she's so sure- Yeah, yeah ... that if he could be with the prophet, the prophet could cure his leprosy. But I think it's very, um, humbling of Naaman even to want to try. Oh, yeah. But maybe he's just got nothing to lose, too. When you, you're gonna try anything. Mm-hmm. So he goes to the King of Syria, and he's like, "Hey."

And the King of Syria's like, "Oh yeah, let's do this. I'll, I'll write a letter to the King of Israel." Mm-hmm. "But ... And we're gonna send you with money, 'cause, you know, we don't want it to be for free." And I love that when the King of Israel gets the letter and he reads it, I think that was what? In, um, verse 7 or something, the King of Israel is like, "Am I God to kill and to make alive?"

Mm-hmm. You know? Like, he rent his clothes, and I guess renting of clothes is like you're like in extreme grief- Yes ... mourning. You're like, "Hey, I'm, I'm not God. How can I do this? And if I don't do this, is the King of Syria gonna come at war with me?" Mm-hmm. And then Elisha hears about it and is like, "Well, hey, how come you didn't think of me?

Send him to me." Yeah. You know? So the, so Naaman does go to Elisha, right to his door, and Elisha sends out a servant. Mm-hmm. So that, as Mary- There it is ... pointed out, he sends out a servant, not himself come, and the servant says to Naaman to go to Jordan and, uh, seven times wash himself, and then he shall be clean.

And Naaman, I think, is a little, not a little, I think he's a lot disappointed. For sure. I'm gonna lighten it, 'cause, uh, someone said I said- ... not too nice of words about it before. I mean, Naaman's a little- This is a family show ... this is a family show, yeah. Yes. Cole would have had to edit that word out. He's, like, quite upset.

Yeah, raw. He's, that, that- I mean, the word, yeah, raw ... raw, raw. Oof. That Elisha, why didn't Elisha come out- ... to me and call upon God? And like put his hand over me and just heal me, and now he wants me to go to Jordan? Aren't there better waters in Syria? Yeah. Cleaner waters in Syria that I could wash myself and be clean?

And so he leaves like in a storm, and he's not gonna do it. He's like, "I'm not doing it." And then one of his own servants comes to him, which again I think is huge- Mm-hmm ... but says to Naaman, "Hey, you know, if he had asked you to do something really hard, would you have done it? Why not just give this a shot?

You know, what do you have to lose?" We're here. And so Mm-hmm. Wash, be clean. So Naaman goes and he washes himself seven times and is healed, and now he knows that there is a- Like unto the flesh of a little child Yes. Mm-hmm. That there is a- Baby ... a God- These are babies ... of Israel. Oh, babies. He has his own testimony of it.

Oh, read that verse for us, his testimony. "And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and he came and stood before him. And he said, 'Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.'" So he has his own testimony, but one of the things that I think about this too is a lot of times we make things harder than it is.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, just it reminds me of the Israelites when they are being eaten by the fiery serpents, and all they had to do to be healed is just look- Yeah ... upon the staff with the brass serpent on it, and they would be healed. But no, that's too easy. Sometimes I feel like in our own lives we make things more difficult, like we want something, maybe we want it to be harder- Mm-hmm

to, to see it, when it's really just go to church, read your scriptures- Yeah ... have heartfelt prayers, go to the temple, instead of something massive. Yeah. It's the little things that make things great. But it was a, it was something simple for him to do, and then... I have a follow-up question- Sure ... for you. Tell me, what is one of the little things that you think has made a difference in your own life?

Well, that would be in one of the next chapters. Oh, pause there. It's a teaser for you. It is. Teaser. Okay. Think of a code word so you can come back to that. Okay. Then I'm gonna u- For, for- We're, we're gonna come back- It's in chapter six. Oh. Well, go ahead and share it now and- Oh ... then do chapter six, 'cause we're not gonna do chapter six.

Okay. We'll do chapter seven. Well- So you can tell us two stories now. Well, okay. Well, in chapter six- Yeah, get us into chapter six ... which is, um, just in brief, it, the scripture that everybody knows in, uh, verse 16, "Fear not-" Mm-hmm ... "for they that be with us are more than they that be with them." But in the next chapter, 17, is when Elisha prayed that his servant's eyes would be opened so that he could see what he saw, and when his eyes were opened, he saw that they had horses and chariots of fire that were surrounding them- Yes

protecting them from the armies that were coming to get them. But for me, I feel like I pray for my eyes to be open- Mm-hmm ... 'cause I'm in the service industry, and every day I pray that my eyes- ... to be open so that I can see that all these people that I come in contact- Serve. Serve ... uh, yeah, serve every day- Mm-hmm

come in contact every day, that I can remember that these are Heavenly Father's children and that He loves them. So how can I best see them how He sees them? So that I can serve them better. Okay, I'm sorry- And it's made- But in your service industry, like can we just say what she does? It's made me- 'Cause that's- Yeah.

It's, yeah. Um ... that's really hard. You're- So I'm a flight attendant. Yes, that's her. I mean, to see people, people are mean- Yeah ... in the air. Well, they can be, but I also feel like- Like they think it's International Airways and they're- It's been a total game changer for me. Wow. In the way I serve, 'cause, uh, traveling is stressful.

Yes. A lot of people don't do it very often. I do it all the time, but a lot of people don't do it very often. So, and going through TSA can be a nightmare. Mm-hmm. Packing, whatever, it's a total nightmare. It's stressful. And so, yeah, it's very stressful for some people. And, and you don't know why they're traveling.

It could be a stressful reason why they're traveling. True. So I just have tried really hard, probably in the last three years, to pray every day for patience- Mm ... but also that I can see all of these people, that these are Heavenly Father's children and He loves them. Wow. And so that way I can... So when they do maybe irritate me a little bit- Mm-hmm

I have that to go back on. Do you, is, is there a time that you've had where the Lord's maybe given you a little bit of insight to that person that you otherwise wouldn't have known? It's funny. Well, it's just funny 'cause I've had a couple experiences in the la- I, you just, it's different with my experience from my pilot friend, Lisa, who sits up front.

Sure. But just the last flight that I worked. Okay. My jump seat is out in the middle. It's in row 18- Okay ... with the passengers. And we're getting re- We're taking off, and there's a gal right behind me on my left in row 19, behind me on the aisle, and I could tell she was a little distressed. I just turned back and looked at her, and she's like, "Oh my gosh, will you please hold my hand?"

Aw. And, and, and- Oh ... she was totally... And of course, I just gave her my hand, and she's, she's, tears are coming down her eyes and everything, and I'm trying, I'm like, "Well, what is it that you don't like about flying this, this right here?" "I don't like this." You know? Yeah. But she was really, really upset, and I probably held her hand for at least 10 minutes.

Mm. But- I mean, I'm sure other flight attendants would do that too. I don't know. Yeah. But- Wow. I don't know if that's why you're like, "Huh, you go out." Never seen it. So Rebecca had told me this- Beautiful ... and I was doing it as well. Okay. Uh, even though I don't have as much interaction as she does. Yes. We go up- Oh, man

we turn left, we shut the door. Thank you for flying. "Good luck back there." Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. See you, bye-bye. And we fly thousands of people and, and, uh, when you say, "Oh, they're not nice," it's, uh, such a small percentage. Okay. And so sh- that's what she was saying. "I wanna see them as they are," and I was like, "I'm gonna do that too."

Love that. And so I, uh, I remember one specifically, uh, a flight where I get out and I say, "Goodbye and thank you, you know, for flying on our airline," and, and, uh, I'll tell you. And all I'm doing is doing what I always do, saying, "Thank you. Buh-bye. Bye." Mm-hmm. "Thank you." And, uh, three times though, I had to turn away because of, of the magnificence of, you know, I don't even know who they are, but God has good kids.

Mm-hmm. God, and, uh, he's crazy about them. Mm-hmm. And so I three ... Like, like Joseph, you know, when he has to turn away from his brothers 'cause he's, he's so overwhelmed. I've had that, I've had that feeling, uh, because my good friend Rebecca says, "Hey, I'm gonna work on this," and I say, "I'll do that too." And- I'm gonna do that now.

I've learned that for the most part- Yeah ... people don't pay attention. Mm-hmm. They don't listen to announcements. They don't listen to the safety demonstration. They don't listen to announcem- announcements. They don't look in front of them to see that they have a menu of what we offer on board. Yeah. And, and so after the 50th time someone asks you, "Well, what kind of snacks do you have?"

Like, "Would you like a snack?" "Well, what do you have?" So- I need some new light ... it can get, it can get a little- I need eyes to be open ... it can get a little ir- you know what I mean? Yeah. And so it's a, I, I finally just decided I don't care how many times people ask. You ask me what I have, I'm gonna tell you exactly what we have.

Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna refer you to the menu. I'm not. Yeah. And you could be the hundredth person that asks me what kind of snacks we have, and I will just list off the snacks that we have. Yeah. Now, if you ask me to choose for you, I'm gonna make you choose for yourself. 'Cause I can't make a decision for myself, so I'm certainly not gonna make a decision for you-

on what you're gonna snack on. Yeah. Yeah. But- And that's a good thing to try if you haven't done that. Yeah. That's so, um... It was, it was holy. It was a holy experience. And, and- And because I know you- ... probably the last couple years for me too ... 'cause I know you edit, and you won't- Mm-hmm ... but, but I probably, one of the hardest flights I ever worked was last August, and there was a young- Oh

college kid on my flight. Okay. And Bo- Boston to LAX, and the on- the lead up front said, "Hey, the last kid that just got on was checked out by paramedics to see if he was fit for, to fit to fly." And apparently he was. And so I was going through, like we had done service. I was picking up trash or something, and he was like, "Hey," someone asked me if we had pillows and blankets.

I said, "Well, we sell pillows and blankets," but, uh, he's like, "Okay." And then I realized, I'm like, "I think this is this kid that she said, the la- the last person to get on board." And, um, so I just brought him a pillow and blanket and tried to get him set up, and the next thing I knew he was back in the back galley with me.

And you could tell something physiological was going on with him. Mm-hmm. He was clammy. Yeah. He was anxious. And, uh, we have Wi-Fi on the plane, but sometimes it doesn't work very well, but my, the crew member one works better. He's like, "I just wanna talk to my mom. I just wanna talk to my mom." And he was a student at, uh, well, I won't even say where he was a student from, but, um, so I- What a prestigious college.

Yeah. He's not some- Right. Smart- He's a smart kid ... smart kid. Yeah. And so I'm like, "What's your mom's number?" So I text his mom, and I just said, "Hey, my name is Rebecca. I'm the flight attendant on your son's flight today. He just wants to talk to you, and my phone's working. His is not." And she answered right, great.

So they go back and forth, but this, the whole entire flight, like five and a half hours. I finally moved into the back row 'cause I was in the back. You know, 'cause he comes back in. He's like, "I don't wanna die. I don't wanna die." Oh, wow. I don't know if he's suicidal. I don't know anything. Mm-hmm. Right? I'm texting his parents like, "Are you picking him up at the airport?"

"Are you coming inside?" Please tell me you're there. Yeah. You know? They were picking him up curbside. I'm starting to get stressed. So I told him, I'm like, "You just wait for me, and I'm gonna walk you out to your parents." Hmm. So the next day, because I had his mom's number, I texted. I'm like, "So how's he doing?"

Yeah. You know, 'cause I was seriously concerned for him. Hmm. And he was darling young man. And she's like, "Oh, he slept for 18 hours. He," you know, whatever. And then, I don't know, February of this year I got a text from his mom. Oh, sweet. "Hey, I just want-" don't know if you remember me, but, you know, he was on your flight.

I just want to give you an update. He took last semester off. He's back at school. He's graduating in April." Hmm. "Thank you so much for getting him home to us." Then a couple months later, I get a picture of him winning an award for his major. Wow. Yeah. And then I got a picture of him graduating, which I never get the follow-up.

I never know what happens. Yes. I was so grateful to hear, 'cause I've often thought of him. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. 'Cause it was a hard flight, 'cause I was worried for him. Yeah. That's a great story. And you think that was your eyes to see. Well- Mm-hmm. You were able to maybe- For sure ... be more compassionate because you had that- Maybe

that in your- Yeah, but she is- I think so ... the best caregiver. She's good anyway. She is the best caregiver. She's Aunt Rebecca to all your kids. Oh. I know that. I know. And to us, I mean, any time we need any- she's the best caregiver, so. Wow. My parents- Maybe I should've been a nurse ... my parents keep, uh- We know you should've done that

better, um, contact with her than with me. I don't blame them, actually. They're like, "They tell me when it's her birthday." Yeah, yeah. That's it. Hey, it's Rebecca's birthday. Oh, my gosh. It's her sister, Susie. Wow. That's a beautiful story. So anyways. And what a great challenge for all of us, to pray for eyes to be open.

Mm-hmm. Eyes to see. Wow, thank you. Thanks for sharing that. Okay, that is, I mean, right there, so we covered the miracle that's found in 2 Kings 5, and then a little bit in chapter six. And then chapter six. We did. And, um, we, and you read the classic verse of scripture, which is chapter s- in chapter 6 verse 16.

It's such a good story, and we were gonna cover it, but then when we were got together before we started recording- Mm-hmm ... we started talking about 2 Kings 7, and I just thought, "Okay, I'm sorry to do this. I'm gonna call an audible. Like, we're gonna change plans." Do you like that? I used a little football term.

You're welcome. You're welcome. You did. And, um, I said, "Can we do seven?" I didn't prep them. They don't even know we're doing this, but this is how awesome they are. They read it fast. We've discussed it, and we are gonna go ahead and talk about 2 Kings 7, and we will do that in the next segment, and I'm gonna show you some pretty cool things

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All right, grab your highlighter. You need something to highlight your scriptures with, and I'm gonna give you a phrase to highlight in 2 Kings 7. Here's how we're gonna start this. It says, "Then Elisha said, 'Hear ye the word of the Lord.'" And then he says, "Thus saith the Lord." Highlight that, "Thus saith the Lord."

And the reason why you wanna highlight that, you're gonna see it a lot. If you go back to 2 Kings 1 and read those and look for all the times he says, "Thus saith the Lord," it happens a lot. Like in 1 Kings 1:6, "Thus saith the Lord." Elisha will begin his prophecies with that phrasing, which I think is so cool because it goes back to what you taught us, Mirinda, where you said he never really testifies, like a testimony type, like, "I want to bear my testimony that I know the church is true."

But what he does is he says, "Thus saith the Lord." And what you want to know is that is called prophetic speech pattern. So every time you see "Thus saith the Lord," you better highlight it because you know from that point on something's about to happen, that the Lord is saying, "Here's what I'm gonna do to my people."

So Elisha's saying, "Thus saith the Lord." So here is the prophecy. "Tomorrow about this time shall a measure of fine flour be sold for a shekel and two measures of barley for a shekel in the gate of Samaria." So he gives this prophecy, which you might think, "Well, that's a little bit weird," but I love how, Mirinda, give us a little background, because he's saying there's, there's going to be the selling of food for this mea- but why is that important?

What, what led up to this? Oh, you're asking me. I know. I am because you were like- ... it's your favorite part. It's my favorite part. So I thought it was creepy him laying, "Well, let's talk about boiling your children to eat." So maybe this was something that they had done in the past when there were famines. We don't know that, right?

Do we? Yeah. Well, I don't know. Does anyone know that? May have just been what they did. Um, so just to go back, if you remember, a, a woman is crying and the king of Israel says, "What's, what's wrong?" And she says- And this is in chapter 6 of 2 Kings. This is in chapter 6. Okay. And she says, "Well, we boiled my son.

My... This other woman and I made this deal. We would boil my son and eat him today, and then we would boil her son and eat him to-" Or yesterday Mm-hmm ... today, and she's, she's taken off. I don't know, and now what? Like, I've I've eaten my child. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Yes, terrible deal. So perhaps this is leading into that of showing just how desperate they were.

There was nothing else. And something we talked a little bit about this too was that the king kind of, as, as Rebekah was showing, kind of rent his- Mm-hmm ... his clothes similar. A- and, and really w- wasn't it on the king to provide for his people? And the fact that they were eating their children could've led to this.

So I think that might- Yeah ... be playing into these chapters as well. Terrible famine, absolutely. And this king, by the way, has seen miracle after miracle that Elisha has performed for him. Yeah He's- And then he asked to, like, have his head on a plate basically. Yes. Come on. So at the very end of chapter 6 in verse 33- Mm-hmm

he, the king says, "What? Should I wait for the Lord any longer?" Mm. I need a comma after that what. Like a dash. What? "What? Should I wait for the Lord any longer?" So now he's like w- uh, how are we gonna get help? 'Cause my people are starving, and now it's my responsibility to save them, and I don't know what to do.

And then Elisha, "Thus saith the Lord, 'Well, guess what? Tomorrow at this time it's gonna be solved. You're gonna be just fine.'" And then in verse 2, you have this sort of like tongue in cheek where the king says- Yeah ... "Well, if the Lord would make the windows of heaven, might this thing be?" And he said, "Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes."

And kind of talking about how the windows of heaven opened for the Noah's Ark rain, and the windows of heaven opened for manna, and so he's like, well, how's he gonna do it? Now, the thing I've loved so far about every miracle that we have shared is miracle after miracle, it happens, but not at all in the way you think, which I think we can all agree with our own lives.

Yeah. Like, again, it goes back to the prophet saying to the woman, "Well, what do you want me to do?" And she's like, "Write a check." That's how I want this to be solved. Yeah. He's like, "Well, how about you sell some oil?" Pay my debt. Or, "How about we have a little maid?" Yeah, what do we have? Mm-hmm. Or, yeah, how about we lay on top of the little boy?

Mm-hmm. It's just the craziest way these problems are solved. And so here's this king like, "Well, how's this gonna happen?" And I even wonder if Elisha gives this prophecy, and even if he's kinda like, "I have no idea, actually. So let's just see what happens." So Rebecca, what happens is the craziest answer. You would never have seen this coming, right?

No, uh-uh. Okay, tell us. Well, I just know that, so there's this huge famine, and, uh, there's four lepers ready to go into the city or into Israel or whatever. Yeah. They're standing outside and were like, "Well, hey, we could sit out here and die-" Yeah. "... 'cause we have no food or anything. We could go into the city with them and die.

They don't have any food for us, either. Or we could go to the Syrians that are camped outside the city, and maybe they'll invite us in and feed us, or they'll kill us." You know, either way- Either way, oh- Either way, we might die ... we're gonna have to see what we got to lose. I know. Yeah. We could go for it.

Yeah. So they- Wash and wear ... they choose the Syrians. And so they go to the Syrians' camp, and as they approach and they go in, there's nobody there. It's like they've left in haste. Yes. And they've left everything behind, their horses, their tents, all the food, gold, jewelry, whatever. They've just took off.

They've just left them, but they're still tied up, right? Like- Yeah. No, they've, they've- Left everything ... took off. Mm-hmm. I- th- and they're so confused, like, "Well, where did everybody go?" But they help themselves in the tents to some food, and to some goods and stuff. Like the best day ever for these lepers.

Yeah, and they go and they hide some stuff, and then they come back for more, and they're like, "Well, maybe we should go back to the city and see if we can get in with the king and let him know what's going on, that there's all this stuff- Right ... available." Now, before they go back to the king, look at verse six, 'cause you're like, well, why did they leave so fast?

Yeah. And so here's part of this cool miracle. Right. I like that part. Will you read that verse for us, uh, Rebecca? Sure "For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots and a noise of horses, even the noise of a great host; that they said to one another, 'Lo, the king of Isra- Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.'"

Mm-hmm. So they thought- And there was nothing there ... so many people were coming- Yeah, yeah ... to get them that they left in haste. And how crazy, the Lord hath made the host of the Syrians to hear. I, okay, that's crazy. That, I would never have imagined that. So yes, you're right. Then they, the lepers go in, they have a heyday.

Life is so good- So good ... that then they go to the king and they're like, "You are not gonna believe this. They're gone. They're totally gone." And so continue with the story then. Well, the king doesn't really believe them. He thinks, "Well, maybe they're just hiding out- Mm-hmm ... and we're gonna go in there and then they're gonna attack us."

Yes. So one of his servants is like, "Well, let's just send a part of a group." Like a, what are, what are those groups when they send them out? Uh, scouts. Scouts. Scouts, love it. To check it out. So the scouts go out, check it out, and then come back and they're like, "No, it's true. They're gone." Mm-hmm. Everybody's gone.

So then everybody from, goes out to the tents and gets the, the barley, the- Gets the spoil ... flour, gets everything. Yes. Uh, where you could sell it for just the prophecy like it said. What did it say? A measure of fine flour will be sold for a shekel- Mm-hmm ... and two measures of barley for a shekel Which is what happened And the miracle happens, bracket off verses 17 through 20, just like you said Mm-hmm And you can cross-reference it back to how we started.

There it is, exactly as the prophet had said it would happen in verse 18. And then in verse 19 and 20, "The Lord answered the man of God and said, 'Now behold...'" And don't you love this? "'If the Lord should make the windows of heaven, such, might such a thing be.'" Don't you love he comes back with- Yeah ... the very words he used, like, oh, he did open the windows of heaven.

And then he says, "But behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not eat thereof. So it fell unto him: for that people trode upon him in the gate, and he died." I know. And he died. He, yeah. And he died. I like that. Wah, wah, wah. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So I wanna know, tell me really quickly, what does little, uh, Sunday School Lisa think about this story?

Mm. I wanna know of your evangelical approach. Um... Give me some of your wording about a prophet and windows of heaven, all of that. Yeah. There was a book that I read, The Burning Book, and then the, the guy who wrote the book, it was a Jewish kid growing up, and got the Book of Mormon and didn't wanna show it in his Jewish house, so he went out to burn it, right?

Do you remember the story? And- No ... and he was told, "Don't burn my book." And so anyway, he ends up, uh, not burning it. He does read it. But he, in his, in his book, he says, um, for a bar mitzvah, you expound on a story- Okay ... or however that- Mm-hmm ... uh, tradition goes, that talks about prophets. And Moses was being challenged and, and on the big day, then the earth opens up and swallows those that- Yeah

would go in against the prophet. Mm-hmm. And I remember hearing that story in my little vacation Bible school, saying- Oops. ... "You gotta listen to the prophet." Wow. Yeah, yeah. You gotta listen to the prophet. Like, why don't, why is it so difficult to listen to the prophet? And, and really, that is the story of our life.

So, so for all of these things, these kings, they come and they go, and there's a lot of pride and a lot of whatever, uh, but in the end, it's... I mean, and, and we need government. We need good government, so it's not like... Just be good. Whatever you're doing, just be good. Mm-hmm. And so that's what I, I remember these, these things, uh, about especially, "Hey, there's a super famine right now, but tomorrow we're gonna s-," like we're gonna sell gas tomorrow for $2 a gallon.

Yeah. And we'd be like, "There's no way." Like we, we would be like, "No way." Yeah. There's too many machinations or whatever, so we've already seen this in real time- Mm-hmm ... when you're like, "Oh, this, the, the world is so bad, it'll never..." And quietly the Lord corrects, and then we live on f- to fight another day, as we would say.

Yeah. Right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I'll tell you personally, uh, I have a ribbon on my military uniform for, uh, winning the Cold War. You're welcome. We won the Cold War, and there were so many scenarios on how that war would end And nobody, I mean, even people that I know and trust who are sitting in SCIFs and top secret m- briefings or whatever, nobody saw the Cold War would just end- Mm-hmm

as peaceably as it did. There's, I don't know anybody who did. And so very much a, an Old Testament- Yeah ... all of a sudden We have this huge problem, huge problem, huge problem, and all of a sudden we don't have it. That's really cool. In our days. And, and I think there's more that will come out. I agree. In this, in this day and age, there's gonna be more and more stuff of, of, oh, it's crescendo, it's a peak, and then there's just shalom.

There, oh, I like that. Shalom, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 'cause I'm thinking about how we started this with these women. I mean, that story in there, as awful as it is that the women boiled their child to eat it because they were so hungry- Yeah, it's like a diner party, right? Yeah. We're just trying to live.

It's so bad that it's trying to help us understand how bad it is to where we need it to get to. Like, that's, that's how bad it is? Wow. And so we have this prophet, thus sayeth the Lord, let's solve this and end it, and here's how it's gonna happen. And again, like you said, we would've never imagined in a billion years that it would involve lepers and just the Lord putting something in someone's ear- Mm-hmm

to think they heard. That's sound. That's doesn't even make sense. But the world we live in today, I think, my point of saying that is, if those were the conditions that the people were in, you would have to think that so many people were praying for help. Like, that is time to get on your knees and say, "God, we've got to end this famine."

And so I just love how maybe the Lord's likes, you know, break, cracking his knuckles, going, "Watch this." "Okay, here we go. You're gonna love this miracle." I feel like he's doing it now. I do too. Like, hold my beer, is what we would say in the military. But what would he say? He was, he's just like... He'd say, "Hold my Diet Coke."

Yeah. Yeah. Hold my chocolate milk. Yeah. Watch this. So I'm thinking- Yeah ... too, if we go back to the Shunammite- Mm-hmm ... woman, she could have lived with kings, but she says, "I'm good where I am." Right. And maybe that's why she was so much more in tune with- Mm ... the prophet Elijah. Mm. Because the king had no idea that they were boiling- Yeah

their children. And how are we in our first world problems- Yeah ... right, so oblivious to everything else that's going on, and are we humble enough- Mm-hmm ... do we have faith enough to pray for those that may have it worse- Oh ... than we do? I love that. 'Cause the king, we know he wasn't eating his children. No.

Right? And he, I think maybe that's why he was so upset, he didn't know that it was that bad. Yeah, maybe. And maybe that's where it goes back to having eyes to be open- Yeah ... to see who needs our prayers. Because Michelle Craig gave the coolest quote in the October 2020 general conference called Eyes to See.

Look at you so in tune. Will you just read this quote from her really quick? Just the quick one that says, "I witness..." "I witness that Jesus Christ loves us and can give us eyes to see even when it's hard, even when we're tired, even when we're lonely, and even when the outcomes are not as we hoped." Thank you.

That was so good. So good. I'm glad we talked about that story. Me too. Thanks for, tha- thanks ladies for pivoting. Good job, Lady Rebecca. Yeah. That was awesome. I keep calling her Lady Rebecca. Lady Rebecca. I did call her Lady Rebecca. Okay, so in our last segment then, we are going to talk a little bit more about miracles, but before we do, I'm gonna read a really cool quote from Elder Oaks, and then these ladies are gonna share.

We'll do that next

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I began at the very beginning quoting Elder Oaks talking about miracles, so I'm going to add this quote in the same talk, 'cause he talks about miracles. And he says, "Although we are generally counseled not to speak of sacred things like the miracles we have witnessed, there are times when the Spirit prompts us to share these experiences, sometimes even in a setting where our account will be published."

So I've asked these three women to prayerfully consider a time that they had a miracle happen in their lives, one that they were like, "I did not see that coming." Because we're gonna t- we just talked about miracles for the last hour or so, and I feel like it would be appropriate to share one of our own.

So we'll just go ahead, and Lisa, you wanna start? Nope. Okay. Marinda? I could start. Whatever we wanna do. Yeah. Are you ready? We made a, we, we made a list. Oh. Hannah and I made a list. Great. Okay. In the last 30 days, give me a miracle. Oh, wow. Give me a miracle. And, um, and I told her, she's like, "Well, does tender mercies count?"

And I said, "I think so." Yes. Because El- um, then Elder Oaks maybe, uh, said it's- Mm-hmm ... it's some, a miracle is something that's beneficial. Mm-hmm. Read that one. He says that in order for it to be a miracle, it's brought about by divine power, mortals do not understand them, and mortals cannot duplicate them.

Yes. And she said the same thing I had kinda thought about is, uh, well, tender mercies. I said, "I think that counts." And, um, divine orbits. We'll say divine orbits. And on a mission, when she was out on a mission, a companion, and they did this whole, whole rest of her mission she incorporated this, you go to bed asking yourself this question: How did we see the hand of the Lord today?

Mm. And at first it was difficult, and then you get eyes to see. Mm-hmm. And then you-- it just keeps coming. So here's my miracles. Just within, I would say almost the past two weeks- Yeah ... like half a month, uh, my nephew, a grand-nephew on a mission out in the east, uh, southeast, has a terrible crash. I'll show you the pictures.

No one injured. Wow. And there was a one year frustration of what do I do with school? What do I do with the certificate? What... It was a dead end, dead end, lots of frustration, and then, uh, an input, and then a path- Hmm ... given. In school, performing well even after you have an increase of responsibility and a decrease of time spent for the, um, the class or whatever, and yet something was magnified and the school could be accomplished well.

Hmm. A, a miracle, I think. Yeah. And different financial. I don't... They-- We don't know how we were, we were able to finance a certain something. It should not have worked out, and yet it was as if we poured until the oil, uh, stayed. Wow. Yeah. My daughter, her specific mission is a miracle and tender, and it's a cool or crazy coincidence, uh, and it's a consistent testifier to non-member friends or inactive friends or, you know, just anybody of they are telling her That was a crazy coincidence Like where she went on her mission?

Where she went on her mission Yes. Okay. Right? I agree. Yeah. And, and, and the circumstances of, of that. So she was in that shooting down at the campus, UVU. That whole thing was a miracle- Mm-hmm ... of the safety and the peace that could be had in such a, such a terrible, um, time. And she was with her friend who doesn't go to school.

She had just come home. She didn't know the person who got shot, so had, didn't have an emotional investment in, but she did know the campus and grabbed her friend, and they ran. And they found the best safe house. You know, military, we practice the run, hide, fight, the active shooter, whatever. Mm-hmm. She found with the Polynesian UVU volleyball team, the girls- Mm

well, that had milk and sandwiches and drinks and knives, and they- Mm ... had a lockable door and, and, uh, and, uh- I love it ... that, that whole thing was that whole thing was a miracle. A miracle. That, uh, she could tell her fr- 'cause her friend wouldn't have known where to run. But I think miracle of peace- Yeah ... in such a crazy time, that's- That's a great miracle.

So. An underestimated miracle that sometimes we don't recognize, that miracle of peace. It's awesome. Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. Of shalom. Sh- of shalom. Shalom. Shalom. Wow, Lisa. Is that good? Yes, that's awesome. I love those. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for coming so prepared. That was very cool. Yeah. I, to me, the question isn't, "Can the Lord do a miracle in my life?"

The, the- How many miracles can he do in my life? It's like, it's like, "Oh, thanks for the four miracles." "Oh, actually, I gave you over 1,200 miracles." Yeah. Yeah, right? "But I'm glad you could figure it out." It's numerous. I love that so much. Yeah. That's great. All right, Mirinda. Okay, I'll go. As I've thought of this, 'cause I was saying, "No, let's not cut out chapter six," 'cause y- right?

Mm-hmm. That chapter, uh, that verse is my husband's favorite And he used it a lot with his YSAs when he served as a bishop there. And my husband has felt this, and so have I. Uh, "Fear not, for they that be with us are more than they that be with them." Uh, way back in 2010, which wa- is about the time that we decided to do this football thing, we were remodeling our house.

Maybe that's what the whole thing was. Yeah. Uh, we were mo- remodeling our house, and we had an old, we have an old, um, 1965 home that were the flat roofs, and we were putting a, a huge pitch. So we had about 16 feet now, uh, vaulted ceiling. Mm-hmm. And so my husband's very handy, and we had a neighbor who was helping us, and we had a crane there, and they were bringing all of these trusses, so huge trusses, and, uh, two-by-fours to then keep them together.

So I worked down at, at UVU, and I was heading home and, and the twins, uh, had football practice. And so I was calling to say, "Hey, I'm on my way. I know the crane is there. Daddy doesn't need to take you to football. I'll be there." And all of a sudden there was this huge crash, and my son says, "The house has fallen.

The house has fallen." Yeah. And I'm like, "What exactly does that mean?" I'm driving. He ends up h- calling back and he says, "Daddy is hurt. Daddy is hurt, and we lost all power." So I'm, I'm driving home thinking, "Gosh, what does that mean?" I, I don't know what- Mm ... that means. And I'm driving home, and our sweet neighbor who has...

We bought her parents' home, so we've lived there now 33 years. But she calls me and she says, "Mirinda, are you on your way home?" And I said, "I am." She says, "Well, there's been a serious accident. I just want you to know there's a lot of people here. I don't want you to be scared when you come." And I end up having to park a whole block and a half away to my home, and there's cars and fire engines.

I was thinking, "Does the news have nothing else to do but have a, a helicopter videotaping this?" Mm-hmm. "Is there nothing else going than a house crashes?" And I remember just start running to get to the house. By the time I got there, then my husband was being taken... My husband, he was... I'm a big lady. Sh- he is a bigger man.

Um, 6'7", he was probably close to 300 pounds, just a big strong guy. And they're, have him on this sled, and they're, they're bringing him down the h- the ladder from the roof to the ground. And, and all he had said to them was, "Please don't let my children see me. Please don't let my children see me." He didn't know I was coming home, 'cause all he knew is he was in a pool of blood.

Mm. And he said too that after everything that had happened to him, he said that they were like, "He's a big guy." "I hope we don't drop him." He's like, "Please don't drop me. I can't handle it." Soon as he saw me, everything was fine. But what led up to that was the crane was there, something happened, and it, we had a number of the trusses, so remember, we're talking 16 feet of vault.

I mean, we didn't even have the tippy tops 'cause it was so tall. The crane decided they would put all of these sheets of f- of, uh, two-by-fours up there so that they could have them to then attach. And he looked up and, and our neighbor was up on top with the two-by-fours, and he hears a voice that says, "Turn and run."

Hmm. So he turned to run, and he said, "I physically felt two hands push me to the ground." We had skylights in our home, so there's, uh, on a flat roof, it was maybe a six-inch little lift. And where he landed, he landed kind of, of face down on his chest, hands about by his, by his chest. The six inches as those trusses came s- slamming down, the two-by-fours landed on top of him, as did our neighbor.

Hmm. So they estimated he had anywhere from, uh, 3,500 to 4,000 pounds on him. Whoa. That's about two tons. Okay? So I've always said my husband's Superman. He's Superman. He was crushed to the point that his body was, it was like a cartoon, if we're talking Jehoshaphat and the rest of them. Mm-hmm. It was a cartoon.

His body was imprinted into our roof- Whoa ... so much so that it cracked through our kitchen. So where his body was was there. Our neighbors, you could hear it for blocks away, came running. He's in this position in a pool of blood because he wears glasses and it cut his, his, his, his top of his eye. He doesn't really...

He said, "I don't know if I lost consciousness." But all of a sudden, here's our stake president, and he's like, "What's he doing here?" Mm. Right? Now, you need to remember, we lost all power. So men come from all over. They're trying to get him out of this 4,000 pounds of wood. They're throwing, like- Mm-hmm ... h- Herculean- Yeah

uh, strength, throwing these two-by-fours like they're nothing. And they're sawing with Sawzalls. They've got jacks up there trying to lift him up, lift the, the, the trusses up- Get him out ... to get him out. They decide to take the crane and wrap it around all of them. Mm. And for a second, he has this little bit of relief.

He grasps a big, uh, air, and they land on him. And at that point, he just was like, "I don't think I'm gonna make it. I think this is it." And I just think, uh, my, my oldest son was at scout camp. The two twins were there, my other daughter, and my little guy, who was so little that he wouldn't even go in the house after this happened because he couldn't hear the sounds.

Anyways, it was terrible, but he was saved. Mm. And I think that it's that verse, because he was serving in our bishopric. And how often do we pray for the leaders of our church? And that the miracle wasn't that he survived. The miracle was that those prayers were answered on behalf of my husband. Mm-hmm. And no doubt that there were more than those men that were there.

We had this young man who had to do community service 'cause he w- made some dumb mistakes. Huge, strong man. Boy, he... Lucky he was there at the time, right? Like, there were all of these miracles and, and, and he survived. He, he said he couldn't tell the difference, but the one that was, the ribs that were against the six-inch, uh, were bruised.

The others were all broken. Wow. He had a couple stitches, and honestly, that's it, and broken... He, he fractured his sternum. That's the only really lasting. Hmm. But they that be with us are more than they that be with them, and, and it was because of the miracle of prayer. That reminds me of the emergency medical, uh, r- first responders all have testimonies that they're not the first responders.

The first there. Oh, that's powerful. Yeah. They're not the first. Oh, I like that. Hmm. Yeah. Wow. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. Powerful. Okay, Rebecca, last. So for me, I feel like I've lived a blessed life. I think there's a lot of different tender mercies, you know, that I, that I refer to that are like little miracles, but for this, I'm gonna share, it's for me, if I can get through it.

It's my mom. So it's been about eight months since she passed away, and For me, it was very important that I be there when she passed away because I was her favorite child. Still am her favorite child. It's true. Everybody knows this. And my mom has been in a home for a while. Her memory, especially towards the end, not there.

She ain't really, she didn't know who we were, anything like that. I would always go in, introduce myself, "I'm Rebecca, your daughter." Mm-hmm. And at the time, I was in New York with a couple of my sisters, cousin, and a friend when my oldest sister got a call from the hospice nurse saying that she thought our mother had aspirational pneumonia and that they were taking her off solids and liquids and putting her on oxygen.

And my mom was in California, so I immediately thought, "Well, I'm gonna start looking at tickets to get back home or back to California so I could be there with her." Um, the other little miracle was I- we had another sister that just happened to be in California at the time, so we called her and she went over to be with our mother, as well as a, a niece went over.

And my sister texts us and she's like, "You know what, you guys? Have a good time. I'm here." Mm-hmm. So that was on a Friday night. We were getting back late Monday night. So on Monday we get a text from my sister saying, "Well, somebody's bouncing back." Mm-hmm. And, uh, that early Tuesday morning I go to see my mom, was able to spend all day with her and she was conscious.

And I went in, introduced myself, said my name was Rebecca, which she just kept repeating my name, and she even said my full name, so I knew she knew it was me, which was nice. And when she had come to on Monday, I suppose, um, she was hungry, and so everybody felt bad, so they gave her an Ensure. So we were able to give her little bites of a Frosty- Mm-hmm

and Diet Coke, which was very important. Very important. Which she kept on saying, "More, please. More, please." You know, and I was able to spend the day with her. And then on that Wednesday I told her I had to go to work, but that I would be back on Thursday. So on Wednesday they once again took her off all liquids- Mm-hmm

solids, even oxygen, and started administering morphine and an anti-anxiety medicine. So when I got there early Thursday morning, and I was the first one there, I was really surprised to see her on oxygen, 'cause they had been, I had been told that she had been taken off oxygen. And she didn't look very comfortable to me.

Her breathing was rapid, and I tried to reposition her, but didn't work. And I didn't answer a phone call 'cause I didn't recognize the number. And then I got a text and it was the hospice nurse and she just said, "Hey, give me a call when you get a chance." So I called her, and I don't even know how she had my number, but, because I was not the contact person, and she, she said, "Hey, I'm not sure what happened last night, but for some reason they put her back on oxygen."

But I don't think that's what you guys want." I said, "Well, I don't want her to be uncomfortable at all, but we're not trying to prolong her life." She's 93. She was 93. Mm-hmm. Yeah, almost 94. Super good life. Yeah, super good life. And so she said, "You can go ahead and take her off the oxygen, 'cause it will prolong her life.

You can take her off, and I'm coming." So I'm like, "I don't wanna be the person to take her off." And my niece got there, and so we decided to turn off the oxygen. Mm. She came, you know, administered morphine, and she's like, "You know, I don't think it's gonna be long," but she couldn't answer that. You know, "Well," we're like, "Today?

Tomorrow?" She's like, "Yeah, I can't really say." Um, anyways, at times you hear that people really don't want you to be there when they go. Mm-hmm. So I thought, "Well, maybe she doesn't want me here." So I went outside, did a few, answering mail, text messages, and stuff, and came back, and she was still there. I had another sister there, and a niece.

They were, we were all there, and it was really only a few hours later that she passed away. And in hindsight, what I was, the, for me, the miracle was that for some reason, unbeknownst to anyone, why was she put back on oxygen in the middle of the night? Mm-hmm. Because I honestly because I think it- Mm ... she knew it was important for me to be there.

Yeah. For, 'cause if she hadn't been on the oxygen, she may have died alone in the middle of the night or without anybody, any of us being there. So for me, that was a little miracle. Wow, absolutely, and even in her death, she was still being a mom. Worrying about Rebecca. Well, I was her favorite child. Well, that's true.

I'm still am her favorite child. As her favorite child. Wow, thank you. Don't tell my siblings. No. No one will know. No one will hear this. Um, wow. Thank you, ladies. They know. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming, prepared. This has truly been such a treat to talk about miracles with you guys and to talk about the Old Testament, and I love how you said, Lisa, like, the Old Testament is where you learn to follow the prophet, and I think, for me, that will be the truth, that the Old Testament is not only that, but where I will learn that miracles happen and that we can expect miracles.

And I think they're everywhere. Again, they're not just four. There's 12,000 or whatever that was. So many awesome miracles, so thank you so much. So here's what I want you to do, just gather your thoughts, and in one sentence, tell me what eternal truth did you learn from our discussion today? What are you gonna take away?

For me, it's that, um, miracles don't always happen in the way you think they're gonna happen. Amen. Mm-hmm. Good one. I'm just gonna m- keep it short and sweet. Love it. I'm gonna say that miracles can happen through other people, and we need to make sure that our eyes are open to see that. Yeah. I, I think, uh- It's evident that God is interested- Mm

in what's happening here, and he's interested. He's always had prophets on the earth, and he has prophets now. Mm. That's cool. Prophets are proof of his interest. That's cool. I like that thought. Yeah. He's, he's interested. Wow, okay. The, uh, a big thing, uh, for this moment, though- Mm-hmm ... for us, uh, isn't just that we're like-minded, but we're like-hearted and like- Mm

and common covenanted. Yeah. Mm. Which a- as athletes, I mean, I... You know, you're a part of a team, so I think we, we know that pretty well. But this seems even on a different level. Yeah. You can feel it. The Spirit has been so strong here for the last two or three hours. Cole's like, "Three hours." Well, to me- "Can we end?

That's already-" I know. Cole, you got a date. We could do this forever. Gotta go. This has been so great. Get going, yeah. Okay, I'm gonna share mine. Um, I have one for each of you because I love Rebecca, the challenge to pray for us to have eyes to be open. Mm-hmm. That was awesome. And then, uh, Mirinda, I love so much when you talked to us about just how you began this idea of a prophet, and how they're natural and they're normal, and I just...

But then again, I love how you ended it, too, by talking about they that be with us are more than they that be with them. What a great way to end the discussion on miracles. And then Lisa, I just... I mean, I kept going back to the miracle of abundance and generosity, but I did love it when you said God has good kids.

Yeah. Yeah. What a good reminder, 'cause we live in a world where we just think everyone's jerks. And a lot. He has a lot of kids. A lot of kids. He's so many. And they're good, so. And he's crazy about them. Yes. Yeah. I love that. Wow. Well, thank you. Yeah. We're done. That's it. Yay. Ta-da. All right, well, I wanna know, what did you guys learn?

Or maybe just share a miracle. I'd love for us to flood the internet with miracles. So go on Facebook or Instagram, follow us, and then share your miracle. That would be so fun to do that. You can get to both our Facebook and Instagram by going to the show notes for this episode at ldsliving.com/sundayonmonday, and go there anyway because it's where we have links to all of the references and a transcript of this whole discussion.

So go check it out. The Sunday on Monday Study Group is a Deseret Bookshelf Plus original brought to you by LDS Living. It's written and hosted by me, Tammy Uzelac Hall, and today our absolutely superb study group participants were Mirinda Ashman, Rebecca "The Mole" Mullen- ... and Lisa Barrenta. And you can find more information about my friends at ldsliving.com/sundayonmonday.

Our podcast is produced by Cole Wissinger and me. It is edited and mixed by Cole Wissinger, and our executive producer is Aaron Hallstrom. Thanks for being here. We'll see you next week, and please remember that you and Rebecca are God's favorite. Woo. You got