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Season 7 Ep. 7 | Sunday on Monday

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Season 7 Ep. 7 | Sunday on Monday

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During the last week of the Savior's life, the disciples got a private Q and A with Jesus on the Mount of Olives, and they so boldly asked what probably all of us would. I mean, I know I would. They asked, what is the sign of your coming and the end of the world now after teaching the disciples about some incredible signs and events that would happen, he then said in Matthew chapter 24, but as the days of Noah were so shall also the coming of the son of man be for as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving a marriage until the day that Noah entered into the ark and knew not until the flood came and took them all away.

So shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. This week's come follow me lesson Genesis chapter six through 11 and Moses eight is all about Noah and the Flood. And hopefully by the end of this episode we'll be more prepared than the people were at the time of. Noah. Welcome to the Sunday on Monday Study Group, a Deseret Bookshelf plus original, brought to you by LDS Living, where we take the come Follow Me lesson for the week and we really dig into the scriptures together.

I'm your host, Tammy Uzelac Hall. If you're new to our study group, please follow the link in our description that will explain how you can best use this podcast to enhance your come Follow Me study. Just like my longtime listening friend, Nicole Scour, neck from South Jordan, Utah, Sojo, Utah. Hi Nicole. I'd love meeting you at Women's Conference.

Now, another awesome thing about our study group is each week we're joined by two of my friends, so it's always a little bit different. And today I'm so excited to introduce you to Sharon Staples. Hi Sharon. Hello, Tammy, how are you? Oh, I'm so happy to have you here. It makes my heart so happy. 'cause whenever Sharon's on, you guys know we're gonna be doing some Hebrew and Right Sharon.

Right? We'll do what we can. Yeah, exactly. And Sharon and I are thrilled to introduce you to our friend Kim Williams. Hello Kim. Hello. Yay. Hey, wait a minute. Do you wanna go by Kimberly or Kim? Kim is great. Do people know you? I have nicknames for everybody, so like Jesus did. So I, not that I'm like Jesus, and anyway, but I like to make nicknames.

So Kim is perfect. Kim Kimbo, whatever you wanna call me. I love Kimbo. Well, Kimberly thi Williams, is that right? That's your full name? That is correct. Kimberly, tell us a little bit about yourself. 'cause you're a delight and I am so excited you accepted the invitation to be on this episode. So tell everybody about yourself.

Oh my goodness. Well, probably most important, I am a wife and a mother of five awesome kids. They're all adults now, four grandkids. And we raised our family in Colorado, Parker, Colorado, and recently in the past 18 months, we have moved back to where my husband grew up in North Carolina. He grew up in Charlotte.

We are down almost in South Carolina and we love it here. I grew up in Connecticut, but everybody here just loves Jesus and everybody is so nice and it's just a great place to live. We love it. Wow. Oh my goodness. And there's gonna be some great stories from Kimberly on this episode. So that's all I'm gonna say.

I'll prime that pump right there because she's got some great life experience and I just, I've loved getting to know her. So we are gonna have a good time on this episode. And we get to talk about Noah, which is such a good story. So if you wanna know more about my guests, make sure you check out our show notes.

There will be bios and pictures of them, and our show notes are found at LDS living.com/sunday on Monday. So grab your scriptures. And something to mark them with. And I am gonna say this, if you wanna do another in-depth study of Noah and specifically the Tower of Babel, I would recommend checking out season three, episode six

That's where we talked about it and we did so much on the Tower of Babel, so we're not gonna focus on that in this episode. Today we're gonna talk a ton about Noah, so check that out. Season three, episode six. Today though, we are gonna jump into Genesis six through 11 and Moses eight. So grab something to mark your scriptures with and let's dig in.

Okay, you two, here we go. First things first. Alright. What did the Holy Ghost teach you as you read and studied for this episode? What's something you personally learned? It's not that he taught me anything new, but just reading it was a confirmation of his influence in the gospel and in my life. And. I always turn to, and I don't know why, but, well, yes, I do know why explanation of the Holy Ghost, which is so significant, I mean the Holy Ghost inspires, develops, cultivates, and matures all of the fine tone, sympathies, joys, tastes, kindred feelings and affections of our nature.

It inspires us with kindness, goodness, tenderness, gentleness, and charity. It develops beauty of person, form, and features. It tends to health, vigor, animation, and social feeling. It invigorates all the faculties of the physical and intellectual man or woman strengthens and gives tone to the nerves and on and on.

And when I read that before I read the scriptures, then I know that I'm going to be enlightened. And when I read the information we have for today's podcast, it was just enlightening and confirming and enhancing. So it's, it's not a singular experience with the Holy Ghost. It's a constant. And so what did the Holy Ghost teach me.

It taught me to continue to rely on the Holy Ghost, to understand and to interpret those, especially the Old Testament, which could be difficult at times, but it enlightens and, and that's, I felt refreshed reading this. Wow. Sharon, what a great way to set up this episode is we're feeling the spirit today in each segment, knowing and recognizing what we're feeling, and then all those things you listed.

I love the idea that it makes us beautiful. Mm-hmm. Because I love, love, love Parley p Pratt's famous quote on the Holy Ghost. Yes, yes, yes. That is what the Holy Ghost does. That is so fantastic. What about you, Kim? You know, this is so interesting to me because how many, I mean, we grow up. Reading about Noah, right?

Mm-hmm. We, we grow up with this story. I mean, we, I've known this story since I was, before I even started talking, but I think it, it led me back to God's love of his people. I have never thought about the flood as him showing his love. And I think that just, that struck me so hard. Mm-hmm. And in, I think we're gonna be talking about it a little later, but in chapter eight of Genesis verse one, this is like the simplest thing.

It's kind of one of those scriptures, like, and Jesus wept, right? Mm-hmm. And God remembered Noah and every living thing, and I, I don't know the whole. Concept that this flood happened so that maybe there could be a redo. Yeah. The atonement is also for us, every day a redo. Right. I don't know, I just, I love that concept of the facts that heavenly father knows us and every living thing so well that he allowed this to happen and allows us to every single day have a redo.

Okay. This is so cool, Kim. The fact that you had pointed out that verse of scripture, specifically the part about every living thing before we even started recording, Sharon brought that up too. That was something that really struck her. Oh, yes, yes. That God. Made a covenant with Noah and every living thing, he made covenants with the animals that were going on the ark.

He got 'em on the ark because he made a covenant with them that he would save them or whatever it was he did, to talk to them or encourage them or, but he, he didn't forget anything in addition to anybody that was righteous enough to go. So the covenants are for all creatures, not just us humans. And I just, I I just love that.

I love that. I do too. And so I, so I treat animals and well, probably better than most humans, but I treat animals more with It's true. I've seen it. I've seen it, yeah. With respect and admiration and kindness. 'cause they're covenanted too. With, with our father and our savior. It's a little mind blowing. It really is.

Yeah. I love that that stood out to both of you. That's really cool. Yeah. So we're gonna talk more about that today. Thank you to both of you for sharing what, what stood out to you and what the Holy Ghost taught you. We can already see that it's refreshing us, it's enlightening our minds. There's no doubt people listening to this right now feel enlightened just from that conversation.

So thank you to both of you. Okay. So then let's get into the flood. In the next segment, we're gonna find out the story of Noah. How did they get there, and what is going on? We'll find out next.

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Okay. You two. So after reading for this lesson, and I gave you several scriptures to look up, let's talk about what is going on at the time of Noah. What's going on with the people. Oh my gosh. What we're living in today. Right? Amen. Yeah. Did you see that? Yes, totally. I wanna know how Sharon would describe 'em, 'cause she describes things in a very creative way.

Gimme your words. Well, uh, I, now that you've put me on the spot, I don't know what the words to say are, but, but like, like Kim said, the first thing that came to my mind when I read it like Kim did, is well, he's talking about today. Mm-hmm. And so for me, reading the Old Testament and bringing it into my current life, what's going on with me, what's going on with my culture, all those kinds of things, bringing that into me makes the Old Testament come alive for me.

Mm-hmm. So I've, I've had a tendency over the years to kind of ignore the Old Testament, but now that I've studied it in some detail, it is such a beautiful predictive book. From all those wonderful prophets. And so when Kim says this is what's going on today, and then of course we've listed, I'm sure Kim listed as well, all the things that were going on during Noah's time, and we've listed those.

Okay, let's, let's talk about 'em, Kim. Talk to me a little bit about the things you listed. And for those of you listening, we're gonna be in Moses chapter seven and eight. Genesis six does also list. Some of the same verbiage of what's going on, but I felt like Moses seven and eight gave us kind of a bigger scope of just how bad things are for these people.

So first thing in Moses, chapter seven, verses 39, and then verse 41, that's kind of what I marked. I'll read those two verses. Moses, chapter seven, verse 39 at the very end that these people will be in torment. And then verse 41, uh, they, they were in wickedness and in their misery, like this idea that Enoch is seeing these people at this time.

And that's how he's describing them in wickedness and in misery. And then let's go into Moses chapter eight and Kim and, and Sharon just jump in with what are some of the verses that stood out to you? Uh, I just thought this was just worded so well. Every man lifted up, I think this is Moses 8 22. Every man lifted up in the imaginations of his heart.

I. I think about things that people can imagine that are evil in this world today. Like sometimes I'll be watching a show and I'll think, gosh, how did someone think to murder someone like that? Yeah. Um, I, I guess I just have this very innocent little mind. Not, not that it's a perfect mind and by any means, but, um, I just can't imagine some of the things that I even see on TV and some of the things that I see even in the news.

And so to think about that, the imaginations of his heart, it it, that's, that's gotta be pretty evil. Yeah. Also the word corrupt and violence over and over and over again. Those words just. Were used really a lot in all of these verses. I agree. 22 was so striking, especially as I'm reading it again right now, that they were lifted up in the imagination of the thoughts of his heart.

I guess I've never considered your heart could have thoughts. Is there something psychologically connected to that, Sharon, in all your studies? Like how do you have imaginations of the thoughts of your heart? Well, it's called will your, will your heart, your, if you give your heart to God, you give your will to him.

That's, that's the only gift we can give him is our will. And so that we pray that his will becomes our will and our heart becomes in tune with him, which means our will becomes in tune with his will. And in that one it says, lift it up in the imagination of the thoughts of his heart. WW. The heart is supposedly the soul of the individual in secular terms and other terms.

And what we're talking about here is our ability to, um, allow the Lord to take over, to let him guide and direct and bless and help and all those things that he does. So that in 22 it says, lifted up the imagination of the thoughts of his heart, the thoughts of his will. Uh uh, that's my understanding now that that yeah.

Could be something else. Um, no, I thought that was very insightful and also in addition to what Kim mentioned, which I thought was really good, is that the people hearkened not, and that the earth was corrupted. Yeah. Yeah. Kim said how many times that that word corrupt comes up? Oh my gosh. Earth was filled with violence and she mentioned that as well.

Wow. It's in bad shape like we are now and mm-hmm. Then that allows me then to appreciate the Old Testament and its predictive powers. Absolutely. I looked up in Josephus. I wanted to read what he had to write about the time of Noah, and I thought this was interesting. His wording is a double degree of wickedness.

Isn't that interesting? A double degree of wickedness. Then he says whereby they made God to be their enemy, and then he says, despisers of all that was good on account of the confidence they had in their own strength and they were slaves to their wicked pleasures. Isn't that powerful? Wow, Ash. Now let's add to that.

This is interesting. Let's go to Genesis chapter six, verse four. I did enjoy studying this verse. It seems a little bit off, like you're, you're wondering who is this talking about? So Genesis chapter six, verse four. And in that verse, go ahead and highlight or circle the word giants. Isn't that great? It says, now there were giants in the earth in those days.

So before we're even talking about how wicked they are, it sets it up by saying, what you wanna know is there's giants in the earth. And, and so then I was like, what are we talking about with giants? So this is what I found, and Sharon and Kim, if you found anything to it, please add. Okay. But the word giants in Hebrew is Nephilim.

It's spelled N-E-P-H-I-L-I-M. And some scholars interpret that Hebrew word to mean fallen ones. That's what Nephilim means, as Sharon and I have learned, Neal means. To fall. To fall. That's how we remember it because that has the word in it. So ne means multiple. 'cause we know EAM is, is plural. So the fallen ones, and this is what some scholars write, they were those who fell and now caused others to fall.

It seems that the apostate sons of God who took the daughters of men out to wife and boasted of their children as men of prowess, mighty men, as good as them old in their vain satisfaction and physical excellence and security, they harken no more to spiritual teachings from Noah. Perhaps they were physically large men whose heroic deeds or boasting of great deeds made them appear larger than life as it were.

Isn't that interesting? That is interesting And and I think that's what for me. Mm-hmm. It's so important to know the original, to know the Hebrew. Yeah. Falling and giants. That doesn't make any sense at all. How, how does that They don't coordinate, but the neem, it, it's, it is a fallen state. And if you recognize that these, the name for giants was somebody else's interpretation when the original was fallen.

People, I, I, I love that kind of stuff. When you get new insights and, and I think Rasmussen in latter-day Saint Commentary on the Old Testament, he covers that very same word. Yes. And it's understanding and its meaning of giants. And so, yeah, I had looked that up as well. And who would've thought giants in the fall?

Unless you think outside the box, unless you think, unless you know Hebrew in the Hebrew way. Yeah. That's just amazing. But then it sets up the story. Now we're talking about some fallen ones. How fallen? Oh, let me tell you how fallen, and then it's everything. We've talked about the imagination of the thoughts of their heart.

They're corrupt. They think evil. Only a double portion of wickedness. Like that's pretty fallen, isn't it? And don't you feel like, don't you feel like the evil, I mean, when you watch the news and when you talk to people, I just, I feel like the evil tends to be so loud, right? Mm-hmm. So big like, like the giants, yes.

Tends to be so big and take on so much personality of its own almost. I don't know. I just, it makes me want to try harder to. Make the good so big, right? Yeah. Wow. Make the good so big. Oh, I love that. And not the bad. What a great connection between size right there, because I'm thinking like, who are the quote unquote fallen ones?

Who are the giants in the world today that are leading people astray or the fallen ones? And then I love how you said let's make the good bigger. Let's make the good the giant. Yeah. Physically. Oh, that's cool, Kim. Very cool. Yeah, that's great. Great information. Oh my gosh. We have to bring up the quote from Elder Maxwell.

Yes. He said, when corruption had reached an agency destroying point that spirits could not injustice be sent here. That's how evil it was. That heavenly father could not. Send spirits here with good in his mind because it was so evil. It was just so evil. Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up. I mean, that is how fallen these giants and people are.

That is how fallen they are. And so we just have to look at a verse then, because in Genesis chapter six verse six, it actually tells us in Hebrew how the Lord and Moses feel about these people. So let's read that and Kim, will you please read for us Genesis chapter six verse six. Sure. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart.

Do you want me to read the JST please? That's exactly what we wanna do. So everyone draw a line from footnote A of six down to six A. We want the Joseph with translation 'cause you're like the Lord repents. No, he does not repent. Here's what's going on. Hit it Kim. And it repented Noah. And his heart was pained.

That the Lord had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart. Thank you. So there is so much beauty in this verse because it, I love this idea. It repented Noah. But let's talk about that word repented again though. 'cause Noah's not really repenting and the Lord isn't repenting again, it's a Hebrew word.

And here's the word you want for repented. It's the word in Hebrew. Naham. And that is spelled N-A-C-H-A-M. Is that what I did you get that too, Sharon? I I got it. Nikam. But it's close enough. It is. It could be nikam. I have, but both ways. It could be K, K, H or ch, but either way that's the word. Perfect. And that word in Hebrew means to sigh, to be sorry.

And I think about when I'm super duper sorry. Or both of you. When you guys are really, really sorry, what type of emotions are involved in being, sorry. Oh gosh. I just, I feel sad. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Low life. I feel like a low life. Yeah. You feel like a low life. I, I, I think sads a great way to describe that.

Sometimes guilty. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Like what have I done? I feel bad about that. Yeah. I love to attach the, um, sadness to it because when I read this now and think that it repented the Lord or Noah repented, what we're really seeing here is that they're just so sad. Mm-hmm. They're so sorry that they created men and they got to this point.

That's how I'm interpreting it. Go ahead, Sharon. Yeah, and what struck me also was that Noah and God have a relationship. They both. Repented. They both, they, they were in tune with one another. I mean, God isn't putting Noah down at this point. He's not badmouthing him. He's not, you should do this, you should do that, should, but they came to an agreement about what was going on.

And I, I, I just think that's sweet that they had an understanding of one another's feelings, one another's understanding of what's going on, and, and they both did it. It it was a shared, a shared event. So I, I was mindful of that. Oh, I'm glad you said that, Sharon. It was a shared event and because it was a shared event, then they're going to share in the answer for these people.

And so in the next segment, let's talk about what the answer was and what the Lord was willing to do for these people that he grieved. We'll do that next.

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So I was gonna do something at the very beginning of this, but I'm not going to, I'm scrapping it because Sharon, you did such a great job of pointing out how the Lord and Noah were in tandem, how they were working together for these people that the Lord knew. Look, we have got to give these people a chance, and I love that about the Lord.

It goes back to how you started, Kim. He just loves the people so much that even people, this evil, a double degree of evilness, he still has hope for. So he sends somebody. Let's go to Moses, chapter eight, verse nine. We already kinda said his name, but we're gonna read this verse 'cause I love it. Moses chapter eight, verse nine.

And Sharon, will you read verse nine for us? And he called his name Noah, saying, this son shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands because of the ground, which the Lord hath cursed. Okay, let's highlight the name Noah, and then highlight the, the word comfort and then draw an arrow and connect Noah to comfort because Noah in Hebrew means to comfort or to rest.

So we love that watch for that Old Testament this year. Anytime you hear someone's name or read in the Old Testament, you will likely find the meaning of the name in that verse. So Noah means comfort. And so we are gonna find some of the ways that Noah and the Lord offered rest or comfort to these wicked people.

So here we go. We are in Moses chapter eight, verses 13 through 30, and I asked Kim and Sharon to read these verses and come prepared to share. What did you mark? What are some of the things that the prophet Noah did to help comfort or rest these people? First 13 of chapter eight. I have that Noah, hearkened, Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord.

And. Ever since I first started listening to Sunday, on Monday, that word hearkens that he learned in the doctrine and CE meant so much more to me to listen and obey. Yeah. And I just love that that's what Noah did, that he listened and he obeyed, he acted on what he heard. And also it goes on to say and gave heed.

Mm-hmm. So I just, I love that. It's what you just said. You perfectly taught that word with that verse. They hearkened and gave heed. They listened and obeyed. Awesome. Kim. Keep going. You guys. He called upon men to repent. Give us the verse. Uh, 16. And it came to pass that Noah prophesied and taught the things of God, even as, as it was in the beginning.

Now, I, I didn't wanna go very far there, but the beginning is premortal. I mean, it just, so I'm assuming. That's Premortal teaching, that Noah was getting instruction in the premortal life as well as the rest of us. I just had this thought, like nothing was held back. Right? Like they were given everything that the Lord could possibly give them and teach them.

They weren't like, it wasn't like Moses where they weren't ready for the big priesthood. They had to have the, the lesser priesthood as it called. Like I think they got everything. That's cool. I love that word. I'm so glad you pointed that out. That's what, uh, caught my attention. And the Lord said that he would save all those people if they would repent.

He was grieved, but he would save them if they would repent. And in addition to all of that, Noah was so trusted by the Lord that he gave his heart to the father and to the son. He just gave his heart to the work. He, he was. Uh, uh, well, one of the best, he was just a, a great disciple. Just amazing disciple.

Sharon, will you read verse 27 for us? I think that beautifully connects with what you just taught us. Yeah. And thus, Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord for Noah was a just man and perfect in his generation. And he walked with God and did also his three sons, Shem, Hammond, Jafe. Yeah. Perfect. In his generation.

Wow. And uh, and if you are walking with God, you have to be pretty perfect.

You know, one of the things, uh, Sharon, you just have such amazing insights. One of the things that I think struck me was in. Moses chapter eight. It says, verse 19, the Lord ordained Noah after his own order and commanded that he should go forth and declare his gospel unto the children of men, even as it was given unto Enoch.

Um, I loved that that was mentioned. I love that the priesthood power was mentioned there, um, that Noah was ordained and that he took that ordination and went forth and declared, not only did he hearken, but he moved on it and made it happen. And we know that he made it happen for a very long time. I mean, Moses eight is just filled with so much goodness and you can just feel how much the Lord loves his people.

I loved verse 24 because. Verse 23 before it, it came to pass that Noah continued his preaching unto the people saying, harken, there's your word, and give heed to my words. Here it is. Believe and repent of your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the son of God, even as your fathers and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost that you may have all things made manifest.

And if you do not this, the floods will come in upon you. Nevertheless, they harken not, I think it's surprising how I hadn't considered that. He's saying your your own father's. Did the right thing, like you had the way pay for you and just follow their example and, and how simple. It's just article of faith.

Number four, have faith repent, get baptized, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I love how you can connect that to section 76. That is the only requirement. Number one requirement for getting into the celestial kingdom is that article of Faith number four. And Satan wants you to think you have to be perfect and you can be without sin and, and that no one's gonna make it.

And I just, I read that verse in section 76 and I'm like, ah. Yeah, it really is that easy? Mm-hmm. There is such a great talk. We're gonna listen to it. It's a quick two minute soundbite. It's by Elder Kiron. Before he was Elder Kiron, he was in the quorum of the 70, and he gave this really great talk about repentance.

So listen to this two minute clip, and then Kim and Sharon are gonna share a little bit of their thoughts about this and how it connects to Noah and the people. As a 7-year-old boy living in the Arabian Peninsula, I was consistently told by my parents to always wear my shoes, and I understood why. I knew that shoes would protect my feet against the many threats to be found in the Deseret, such as snakes, scorpions, and thorns.

One morning after a night's camping in the Deseret, I wanted to go exploring, but I did not want to bother putting on my shoes. I rationalized that I was only going for a little wonder. And I would stay close by the camp. I told myself that flip flops were shoes of a sort and anyway, what could possibly happen?

As I walked along the cool sand in my flip flops, I felt something like a thorn going into the arch of my foot. I looked down and saw, not a thorn, but a scorpion. The pain of the sting began to rise from my foot and up my leg. I grabbed the top of my leg to try and stop the searing pain from moving further, and I cried out for help.

My parents came running from the camp I solved while my parents loaded me into a car and set off across the Deseret towards the nearest hospital, which was over two hours away. The pain through my leg was excruciating, and for that entire journey, I assumed that I was dying.

When I finally reached the hospital, the doctor was able to assure us. That only small infants and the severely malnourished are threatened by the sting of that type of scorpion. He administered an anesthetic, which numbed my leg and took away any sensation of pain. Within 24 hours. I no longer had any effects from the sting of the scorpion, but I had learned a powerful lesson.

I had known that when my parents told me to wear shoes, they did not mean flip flops. But that morning in the Deseret, I disregarded what I knew to be right. I ignored what my parents had repeatedly taught me. I had been both lazy and a little rebellious, and I paid a price for it.

Disregarding what we know to be right, whether through laziness or rebelliousness, always brings undesirable and spiritually damaging consequences. We find healing and relief. Only when we bring ourselves to the feet of the great physician, our savior, Jesus Christ, we must cease fighting against God and instead give our whole hearts to him, holding nothing back.

Then he can heal us. Then he can cleanse us from the venomous sting of sin.

Oh, tell me your thoughts. Well, uh, it hits home one, disobedience my disobedience when I am told by the spirit to do something, or when I was told by my parents to do something or the bishop recommends something or my release society president says, maybe you should consider this. President Nelson said, hear him.

And also I believe in the principle of obedience. And when I heard Elder Kieran talk about that and his experience, I thought, Sharon, you dimwit, you've done the same thing. Not with scorpions. No, not with scorpions, but with other things in my life that, um, I've regretted because I didn't, A, I may have heard him, but I didn't obey.

And so the, the message to me was, hear him and obey what he says. That's, that's it for me. Uh, I think for me, um, I had, I had written down how easy it is to get casual, how easy it is to just slip on flip flops instead of tying up. Boots or sneakers that would be more protective, how easy it is to do that with our worship and how easy it is to do that with listening to the Holy Ghost and acting on the Holy Ghost.

Uh, I've served so much of my life teaching youth and I used to always say to my young women, the more we listen and obey, the Holy Ghost will guide the way. And as we try to avoid that casualness in our relationship with God in our study, you know, as we listen to the prophet and we act on what he says, I think that is such great protection right there from, from the sting of sin.

Wow. Yep. Amen Sister. Amen. In fact, when the video got done, I was gonna pose this question and I didn't even have to, 'cause my question was, okay, the two of you for real life experience. What would you say to people today who are experiencing scorpion stings? And there's your answer right there. You both said it.

That is exactly it. Hear him and obey what he says. And I love that idea, Kim, how easy it is. Don't get casual. Just don't get casual. That was great. Yeah. Great insight. Great insight. Thank you so much. Okay, so the people, they did not listen and obey and the Holy Ghost did not lead the way for them. And as a result, now this was really interesting, again, reading from Josephus.

He said Noah was afraid the people would kill him together with his wife and children and those they had married. So he departed out of that land. Noah was alone, saved for God, suggested to him the following contrivances and a wave of escape. We're gonna tell you what that wave of escape was in the next segment.

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So for this segment, I asked my guests to find a picture of Noah's arc, any kind of artwork that they could find that they liked. So let's look at the artwork you guys sent. This is so much fun. Uh, the first one we have, this is Sharon's piece of artwork. I did not paint it. I as much, I'm like, I've seen that in a church building.

Before I chose it. I didn't, didn't pick it. I didn't paint it. I chose it. Why did you choose this one? This is a painting of Noah with all these animals going in, what stands out to you about it, Kim? The chaos. Like, yes. Can you imagine? I have one dog and it's chaos. Can you even imagine what that would be like?

There's just not not enough people to help really. I mean, and the, the storms starting behind them. I would as a mom be freaking out. Freaking out, get in the car, you know, just yelling, get in the boat. Yes. Well, and his family that's off to his left. Mm-hmm. They look like they could use a break. I mean, they need a Coke or a diet Pepsi or something.

They're so haggard and forlorn and I don't know if they had a premonition of what was ahead of them on this arc with these animals, but they looked like they could use a break. And then Noah wasn't, he's not all that smiling and happy and Oh boy, we get to have a boat ride with all these animals. But, and, and the turbulence, the turbulence behind him Yes.

Is it reminds me of, of the turbulent times. Oh, I like that. And which he was engaged and what was going on all around about him, let alone the storm, let alone the floods. Yeah. That it was all turbulent anyway, and I just. I love the animals. I, I look at him holding onto his cane like that, just kind of looking out, and I don't know why, but when I see him, I think of Moses chapter eight, verse 17, because that verse says, and the Lord said unto know my spirit shall not always strive with man.

For ye shall know that all flesh shall die, yet his days shall be 120 years. And if men don't repent, I'll send the floods upon them. And I'm imagining Noah, just looking going, you guys had 120 years to get it together. Yeah, yeah. Right now? Yeah. 120 years. And you couldn't, oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. No wonder they look haggard and tired.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. Here's the picture I brought and the reason why this one stood out to me was because the size of the arc that's. Wow. Yeah. Huge. Well, you get a description of all that in Genesis six, 14 through 17. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna go, we're gonna look at that. I just had never seen it, so I mean, it is gigantic.

It's like a, it looks like to me, a hotel on a boat. Yes. Which I guess is what a cruise ship is. Cruise. But the way the person cruise grew it. Cruise, yeah. Yeah. It really does look like a hotel that's floating. It's so cool. And it's very, very old. But let's talk about Kim's picture. Alright, here we go.

Sharon, describe this and then Kim, tell us why you picked it. It's by Michelangelo. It's called the Deluge. Sorry. Oh my. We have some naked people in it. Sorry. Oh my gosh. What? Oh, that's, it's a sad picture. It's painful, isn't it, Sharon? Oh, it's painful. I mean it like, they don't know what to do. Mm-hmm.

They're lost. They're, they're, they don't know who to hold onto. They don't know what to hold onto. They don't know if they're holding onto the right thing or the wrong thing. Anyway, it's Oh yeah. It's very sad. So sad. Why did you pick this one, Kim? Oh my gosh. I just, I think, I think I chose it because I can kind of see myself like clamoring to get into the, into the arc.

Yeah. At that point I'm kind of like, oh my gosh. I, I, I thought I was doing what was right, but clearly I wasn't. Yeah. And now someone opened that door 'cause I gotta get in, right? Just, yes. That kind of, that panic of Did I shut the stove off before I left?

Yeah. I can just see myself clamoring to get onto the, a lifeboat or onto the arc. Please, just let, let me on. Let me on because I, I did not ever really think of this until, until studying this time. How many people, I mean, they're, they, they would've heard the cries of people. They would've heard people drowning.

Yes. They would've heard screaming. And these weren't just people, this was their family, right? Mm-hmm. And I'm gonna be honest, I have family that I love dearly that maybe would've been clamoring to get on that arc. And I can't imagine how it would feel to be Noah and his wife and their family of eight that was on the arc and hear those cries and have to know that this is agency and there are consequences.

And that's just, that's not an easy, easy thing. No. Kim, thank you for bringing up that, that it's. Their family. I was surprised to read that by many scholars, considering how long Noah had already been alive on the earth and married with kids. We only read, according to some scholars, he probably left behind many children and in-laws and people that he loved and that his wife loved, and that the only ones left with him.

Shem Ham and Jeff Eth. And their wives were the only righteous ones among all his posterity. Thank you for being so real and connecting with that in such a real way. It's heartbreaking, isn't it? It is. It really is. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if the last days are going to be like that. I think of those people gathered under that curtain over there on the right kind of tent type thing.

Mm-hmm. And you think what, like Kim said, is my family going to be one of those? Are they gonna be in the last days? I mean, he's gonna, you know, one in the field and one in the hand, that kind of thing. Are my family members going to be clamoring like, right? And that's a good word for it, Kim. Clamoring it is.

Boy hold to the rod folks, because it breaks my heart to think of someone I love in my family yelling for my help and that I could do nothing. I'd be like, throw a rope. Any, you know, and I think the closest that I've ever come to this in my life where I felt like I was clamoring, it was a very real moment.

I, I'm not even sure if I've shared it on the podcast before, but, um, was when I was in seminary in ninth grade and I was in a seminary class that was really naughty. Like it was rambunctious. It was the last period of the day. And the teacher we had was a brand new seminary teacher. We were his first class he ever taught, and we were giving him a run for his money.

And it was so bad that this teacher went to the principal and explained the scenario, like, I can't teach these kids. We were awful. And so they made a decision, the principal and the teacher came in, like, and this had been going on for a couple of months, and the principal of the seminary building said in Utah, they had this.

Said, okay. What we've decided to do is we're gonna split the class into two, into a group of the kids who wanna learn from scriptures and those who don't. And they named off, they said, if we say your name, you need to stand up and go into the other room. And so they listed off all the names of these kids and they all got up and walked into the other room.

And I was sitting in my desk still, and I remember thinking, those must be the naughty kids, because I feel bad for them. I can't wait until so-and-so's mom hears this. She's gonna be in trouble. Uhhuh. And then the principal said to those of you that are sitting. You're in the class that will play games for the rest of the year, and the kids who want to learn are in the other classroom.

And it seems so devastating. But I remember going home that night being so sad that the next morning I went to seminary, I went right into the principal's office sobbing, saying, I wanna be with the kids who wanna learn. I got you, picked me wrong. I'm a good kid. I wanna be with those kids. And I'm crying.

I Oh, so sad. And I looked up at him and he just looked at me and said, the decision has been made. You'll stay in that class, would not let me. Mm-hmm. Ah, oh my gosh. Broke sad. Broke my heart. And I had to stay in the class of kids who I got. I was the kid who didn't wanna learn. I was the naughty kid in that class.

And it makes me think of this like I was just clamoring doing anything I could to be with the kids who learned, and for my principal to be like. Sorry, the decision's been made. Oh, talk about a scorpion sting. Oh my. I should have learned. I don't know. Oh my gosh, Tammy. Oh, but listen, I've made up for it since because I've, I've been my life building my arc.

So you certainly have, my gosh. Let's go into the arc description in, um, Genesis chapter six. And you brought that up with us, Sharon. Yeah. And we did something kind of fun because you can read the description of how the arc was built. It's in Genesis chapter six, and it starts in verse 14, and you're gonna go 14 through 17.

Those are the verses, and there's some fun words in there and the description of how it's made. But I asked my guests to make some comparisons. So we talk about how, he said, make it with pitch, make rooms, um, have a window, which is a fun Hebrew word. We might get to that. But what are some modern day comparisons you can make to how they made the arc then, and how we can make our arcs today?

I love how specific this was. I feel like we don't get that often in the scriptures, and it was just so specific as I was thinking about that. One of the things that came to my mind was when President Nelson was called to be prophet in his talk in 2018, in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost.

And by saying that he was urging us to receive very specific personal revelation. And I think for me, as I, as I read through the specifics of this size and what kind of wood it should be and the pitch and all that, I thought that is for me. Like my personal revelation. Mm. Very specific things that the Lord asks me to do.

And half the time it's just, will you shut your mouth and not say anything else? Be quiet. Mm-hmm. And listen. So anyway, I, that probably for me was, was the greatest insight that I had was personal revelation, is that specific direction. Wow. So specific. I thought that was great. That's great. That is great.

Um, mine was similar to that, but mostly was God is in the details. Mm-hmm. God is in the details. I mean, it says it was. It was made of gopher wood and it was made with pitch and it was this 300 cubits by 50 cubits da da and a window on this side and a door on this side, and three stories that, and so I thought, you know, pay attention to the details.

Yes, pay attention to the details, Sharon. 'cause God is in the details. And how I would build my arc is to again, hear him be obedient and pay attention to the details. Wow, Sharon, I love that. That's so awesome. Love that. Okay, so I'm gonna take what both of you said, 'cause that applies to mine too. That's, this is so cool.

We're all thinking of the same way because mine then said God knows what works. So he's giving all these details, but he's like, this isn't the first arc he's going to have somebody build and he knows how to do it. And isn't it interesting that our scriptures have stories of people building arcs, showing that God really does know if he can build a boat?

Surely he can help you. Like he can give you the details that you need in your life. If he can give someone details for something like this, and I love that. Pay attention to the details and be important and pay attention to the specifics of it because he knows you and he knows how to get you from point A to point B in the best way possible.

So, mm-hmm. I thought those were great. And then we love, in the verse that talks about the window, how fun was that? In Genesis chapter six, verse 16, footnote A, where the word window is. This is so cool. Down below. Kim, do you have that? Yes. What does the footnote say? It's, well, I have, I have so much writing, I can't even read it.

Let's see. You do, it says, um, I can't read the Hebrew word, but it says, some rabbis believed it was a precious stone that shown in the dark. So what's the word? Because I have an arrow over it. Sorry. So the word is Zohar zhar. T-S-O-H-A-R. So the word is not window. In the Hebrew Bible, the word is zhar, and some rabbis believed it was a precious stone that's shone in the arc.

Oh my gosh. That's, there you go. Awesome. And then you wonder where the brother of Jared got the idea for 16. 16 stones. That's right. He's like, look, if Noah had a stone, then surely I could probably have, then I want two in each boat. So let's just do 16. Boom. That's one. Your uncle. I love this so much because then I read that and thought.

Now that is pretty cool to think of how the name of the savior is in the word light. Light is one of his monikers. Stone is one of his monikers. So a precious stone shines in this arc. They traveled with the light of Christ I, oh, I love that. That's so neat. So many good things. So as you study this idea of an arc, my challenge to everyone is to think about what is your arc?

What are the parts of the arc that apply to you in your own life? God knows where he needs you to be. He's going to get you from point A to point B. That's his whole goal. And point B is with him to return to him. And so he's gonna look different for everyone. I love this discussion We've had, how we've taken this description of the arc and applied it to our own lives.

And now what's so neat about this story is that. This is how the Lord saved Noah's people. He built them an arc or gave them the directions for this big, gigantic behemoth. And in the next segment, we're gonna find out specifically why the Lord decided to save Noah and his family. And this is a pretty cool thing.

We'll do that next.

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Kim, share us what the arc was for you. Okay. I feel like the temple has really been my arc. Mm-hmm. We had about probably a, I don't know, it varies on what day, how the day's going for me and how my family is. It could be eight years, it could be 12 years. We had a period of time that was really, really hard in our family with, let me just say.

When, when I was, um, first married, the one thing that I always said that would be the most difficult thing was that if anyone in my family would ever, ever leave the church. And unfortunately that has, that has happened with some of our children. And yet I love them and adore them with all my heart. And I think I love them more than I, than I did even before.

But. Before some of these difficult things started to happen, I had the strongest prompting that I needed to work in the temple. This was about 14 years ago, and we were not able to work in the temple at that point when we had children living at home. And so I tried to figure out any way that I could work in the temple because I knew that I needed to be in the temple working.

So I found out that I could work in the temple, in the office. And so once a week I started working in the office, in the temple. And I just want to tell you that, that the temple became my arc. The temple prepped me for a period of time that I would've otherwise been drowning in very clearly drowning in.

The temple helped me to understand and, and why would you even think working in the office in the temple? But, but I was there. It made me be there twice a week. I was there as a patron once a week and I was there working once a week and, and so I was able to feel that spirit of the temple and it was such an incredible blessing to me.

Before we moved, we lived about, um, half an hour from the temple probably. And before we moved I was able to be in the temple and I eventually became an ordinance worker two or three times a week. And since then we've moved to North Carolina and the temple is three hours away. And, um, we go probably about every other week.

But the blessing of being able to be in the temple. As often as I was, was literally, it literally saved me from drowning in a time that I, I don't know. I look back now and I don't know, with all that went on during that time, I don't know how, how I made it, and the only answer I have is my covenants and the temple, and that's, that's what saved me from drowning.

Wow. Thank you, Kim. Mm-hmm. Thank you for that powerful testimony of the temple. Yes, and here's what's so neat, Kim. Turn to Genesis chapter six, verse 18. You were inspired to share that story In Genesis chapter six, verse 18. We are going to mark a word that appears for the very first time in the Old Testament.

Sharon, will you please read verse 18? But with thee, I will establish my covenant and thou shall come into the ark, thou and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons, wives, and thee, mark the word covenant. It's the first time we see the word covenant in the Bible. Isn't that beautiful? Now, with your story, and now Kim, I will establish my covenant and Kim, you shall come into the arc with your sons and your wi husband and your son's wives or daughters or whatever.

They'll come with the, I think this is so powerful because the covenant always existed. Let's be clear about that. We call it the Abrahamic covenant, which we'll get into later when we study Abraham. But the Abrahamic covenant, it's very good to remember. It's the same covenant that was first established with Adam and Enoch and Noah, and here's how we know that in Genesis chapter six, verse 18, look at footnote A down below.

And you wanna read the Joseph Smith translation right there. And Kim, can you read that Joseph Smith translation? Yes. But with the, I will establish my covenant, even as I have sworn unto my father, Enoch, that of thy posterity shall come all nations. Thank you. And you will see that exact same Joseph Smith translation in Genesis chapter nine, verse nine.

And in Genesis chapter 11, verse seven, same translation saying that this covenant, the Abrahamic covenant actually began with Adam, then with Enoch and here with Noah. So like you, but not quite as intense. Kim, I was in the temple today doing ceilings, and because I had been studying this podcast and studying Abraham, the sealer would say.

Da dah, dah, dah, in the New and Everlasting Covenant. And I thought that's the Abrahamic covenant. And my ancestors for whom I am kneeling at this altar are part of that Abrahamic covenant that was established thousands of years ago. Thousands. It's the same covenant, the same God, the same promises, the same blessings.

And I was in his holy house experiencing them, and I thought, what a blessing. What a gospel, what a truth, what a deity and what we have everything. If we'll just. Pay attention, you know? And I was paying attention when he said New and Everlasting Covenant. And I thought, that's the Abrahamic Covenant. But you know, it's just, wow.

It's just, it's just, and then, so then I talk to my ancestors. I do that often. I talk to my ancestors. When we were through walking back to the, I went to the celestial room, I said, now listen to you guys. I hope you were paying attention because this happened long before you were even upon the Earth yourself.

So, you know, pay attention to what just happened and listen up. And a reminder that he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Right. Forever. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And the only reason it's called New and Everlasting is because it's new to this dispensation. Mm-hmm. Exactly. It doesn't mean it's new, newly recreated or anything different.

Right, right. Just new to this dispensation. So the new, and it's an everlasting covenant. So what I love about what you shared and Kim, what you shared, and we're gonna go back to Kim, you even shared this in your beginning. First segment is because of the covenants. Then we go to Genesis chapter eight, verse one, and let's Kim, will you just read that for us?

Here we go. And God remembered Noah and every living thing and all the cattle that was with him in the ark. And God made a win to pass over the earth and the waters as massaged. I just love the beginning and God remembered. Noah, I would challenge right now, not even challenge. I want everyone to underline Noah and above Noah, write your own name.

And God remembered Kim and God remembered Sharon because of the covenants we've made. God remembers Tammy, and God remembers my husband Jim, like he remembers all of us because of covenants, because of the Abrahamic covenant. Would you agree? And every living thing. Yes. Even those cats, oh my gosh. I, he is everywhere.

He is in everything. Above everything, through everything. Forgiving everything, loving everything. I just, I, I feel so bad for the people in the world who don't know who he is and to think of the, the be the people on earth at the time of Noah who, who had the example of the fathers of covenants and they just got casual.

Kim, I love how you pointed that out. They just got casual and how quickly, I mean, okay, they had 120 years to get it together, but that might have flown by who knows? Like time's going by so fast now, you know? And so I think if the Lord, I mean, I feel like every general conference is sort of like another timeline for us.

Like get it together. For sure. You've got time. Let's, let's just repent. Let's get back on that covenant path. The Lord remembers you. He loves you. He knows you. So that all of that, thank you so much for sharing that story at the beginning, Kim, that perfectly set the tone for this segment. So as you're thinking about this idea of covenants, and I hope you really do feel and understand that we three believe that God does remember you because of your covenants.

So then what we wanna talk about is in connection to covenants. There's also tokens and signs. And so we're gonna show you what one of the most important ones is in this whole Abrahamic covenant talk, and we'll do that in the next segment.

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All right, you two, come on. What's the token and sign most associated with Noah? Rainbow. Rainbow. Rambo. Rambo. Oh, you win. Ding, ding, ding. Let's read that verse. Genesis chapter nine, verse 13. I do set my bow in the cloud and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. Okay, now let's just pause for a second there.

'cause this is the coolest thing I learned. This is what the Spirit taught me my whole life. I assumed that the rainbow was a sign that the Lord would never flood the earth again. And I've completely skipped verses 9, 10, 11, and 12. So grab your highlighter and as you read verses 9, 10, 11, and 12, highlight every time you see, I will establish my covenant with you.

There it is, in verse nine, verse 11. I will establish my covenant with you. Verse 12. This is a token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you Now, that's before he even brings up the rainbow, right? He is talking about. He's not saying the establish my covenant with you, meaning I'm not gonna flood the earth.

That comes later. He's saying, this rainbow now is a token or sign of the Abrahamic covenant and that I'm not gonna flood the earth again. It's gonna change me. I love that. Every time I see a rainbow, now I'm gonna think of all of my family members and friends. I'm going to think of Kim's Ark, which is the temple I hope.

I think of covenants and temples every time I see a rainbow now. Oh my gosh, I love that. Isn't that amazing? That is amazing. Now, here's a quote. This is from the Old Testament Seminary manual. And then I wanna show you something cool in the Joseph Smith translation. So here's the quote, and Kim, will you read this quote for us?

The rainbow is a token or sign of the Everlasting Covenant. A reminder of God's promises, including his promise to never flood the earth again. This covenant had first been given to Enoch, see Moses seven 50 through 51, and now the covenant was renewed with Noah. The rainbow became a symbol of God's mercy to his children on earth.

Thank you. And that's from the Old Testament Seminary manual. Very cool. So let's talk a little bit about God's mercy then, after all that we've talked about today. There's such a great Joseph Smith translation of Genesis chapter nine, verses 21 through 25. And I sent this to my guests and we are going to read it.

And as we do, I want you everyone to listen to what the Joseph Smith translation teaches us about God's mercy. And then I'm gonna ask my guests what it taught them. So we'll each take a turn and then we'll go Kimberly, Sharon, then myself. Okay. And the bow shall be in the cloud. And I will look upon it that I may remember the everlasting covenant, which I made unto thy father, Enoch.

That when men should keep all my commandments, Zion should again come on the earth. The city of Enoch, which I have caught up unto myself. Verse 22. And this is mine, everlasting covenant, that when thy posterity shall embrace the truth and look upward, then shall Zion look downward. And all the heavens shall shake with gladness and the earth shall tremble with joy.

And the general assembly of the church of the firstborn shall come down out of heaven and possess the earth and shall have place until the end come. And this is my everlasting covenant, which I made with thy father, Enoch. And the bow shall be in the cloud. I will establish my covenant unto thee, which I have made between me and thee for every living creature of all flesh that shall be upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, this is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and thee for all flesh that shall be upon the earth. Thank you. So tell me why is it beautiful? Well, because you hear him. I mean, he's, he's telling us what his promises are. Uh, he, he reassures us. He's like I had in the temple this morning that when thy posterity shall embrace the truth.

Well, I was in the temple for my posterity today. And if they will just do, possess the truth, um, the heaven shall shake with gladness and the earth shall tremble with joy. Oh, Sharon, that is my, I think that is my favorite. That just stuck out to me. When thy posterity shall embrace the truth and look upward, then shall Zion look downward, and all the heavens shall shake with gladness and the earth shall tremble with joy.

I just, I love that. I love that. I do too. We could use an earth that trembles with joy right now, couldn't we? Absolutely. Wow. Well, when we talk about this whole idea of covenants and the rainbow, and now how it's gonna change the way I look at the rainbow and this idea of the earth trembling with joy and how much the Lord loves us and he loves his people, I love the idea that we've talked about, and you shared this beautifully at the beginning, that the flood was a sign of chances.

It was second chances, it was the ability for people. It was. And I love how you even said, I wrote it down that flood is God's love for his people. It was like a redo. And so tying this all together then, I would just like to know if either one of you have a story about a time in your life when keeping covenants was a source of peace or joy, or even like you felt God's love for your, for you or his people, or when you were remembered.

I do that, Kim. I have several, but this one, um. This is one of my favorites and anyone who knows me or has been in one of my classes is probably like, okay, we've heard this a million times, but it is one of those things that I just, I have no doubt that I have heavenly father that knows who I am and he knows my children and he knows my husband and he knows each of you.

Kind of back to that period of time that was so difficult in my life and I, you know what? Looking back, I shouldn't even say this out loud, but most of the time I am so grateful for those times because it is always, when I grow the closest and I probably everyone would agree with that to Heavenly Father and to Jesus Christ during those difficult times.

Anyway, there was, I had found. Something out, and I don't, I don't wanna like throw anyone under the bus or anything, so I'm gonna be careful how I say this, but I had been really devastated with a decision that someone in my family had made. And looking back now, I think it's so interesting to me how God has allowed that to change me.

And I'm so thankful for that, that person in my life who took a tough situation and helped me to become better through it. But it was, there was probably about two months where everything was hard. I was almost in bed every day. Going to church was probably the most difficult thing. For me to do. I couldn't go to church.

I didn't wanna face people. I didn't wanna have to look at people or have people ask me how I was. And one Sunday, I, I mean, I really even skipped like the second, second hour because I, it was just too hard. It was too hard. So I went to ENT meeting and came home. One of those Sundays I came home and the house was quiet and I was by myself.

And I pulled one of those, if you're really there, if you're really there, will you please just let me know. And I opened my scriptures and I turned to doctrine in covenants 98, 1 through three. Mm-hmm. And it says, verily, I say unto you, my friends, fear not. Let your hearts be comforted. Yay, rejoice evermore and in everything, give thanks.

Waiting patiently on the Lord for your prayers have entered into the ears of the Lord of the Sabbath and are recorded with this seal and testament. The Lord has sworn a decreed that they shall be granted. Therefore, he giveth this promise unto you with an immutable covenant that they shall be fulfilled and all things wherewith you have been afflicted shall work together for your good.

And to my name's, glory sayeth the Lord. We've had I said earlier some challenges, um, in our family. I just thought my whole life that I would raise my family the same way as my parents did and that. All of my children would serve missions just like my siblings and I did, and they would all be sealed in the temple just like my siblings and I were.

And that has not been the case for us. And there are days when it is heartbreaking and our children know that. But they also know what did matter was that we had a relationship with our children and that they knew that we love them no matter what their decisions were. And I think that day I learned more than any other day, especially in that verse where it says, your prayers have entered into the ears of the Lord of the Sabbath.

I knew, I knew, without a doubt. That heavenly Father knew my children, that he knew my grandchildren, that he knew me, and that he was so aware, as Sharon said, he was in the details. Right. He was completely in those details, and I will forever bear testimony of that to anyone who ever doubts that he is there.

He is there and he is very aware. Wow. Thank you for sharing you very much. Thank you. Wow, that was powerful. Thank you. I'm so grateful for the spirit that I felt when you were sharing that story and when you read that scripture in section 98 and how neat that that last verse talks about the immutable covenant, and it goes back to this idea like, Kim, you and your children and your husband are remembered.

I absolutely remembered, so. Mm-hmm. Thank you for sharing that. Yep. Thank you for this discussion, ladies. This has been incredible. What a great way to talk about the story of Noah. One that we all thought we knew, and we have just been, like Sharon said, enlightened by the gift of the Holy Ghost today. So thank you.

That's just, thank you. Thank you. Okay. So gather your thoughts and just tell, just share maybe one thing, one takeaway or one spiritual truth, something that you learned from our discussion or that will stick with you. For me, I, I like you. I mean, I guess the rainbow is also a sign that, that the earth will not be flooded again, but just to, to know that the rainbow is a token of the covenant.

I, I guess I never really thought about that. That was very enlightening to me. And then also just what Sharon said in the beginning about the Holy Ghost. How the spirit works such I just could be reminded all the time about the Holy Ghost and I just, I really appreciated that quote that she read. I think what I got from all of this discussion, and thanks to you, Tammy, and thanks to you Kim, for bringing it to, for the forefront, is how significant covenants are and how significant my covenants are to me in my life, and that I need to remind myself when I go into the grocery store that I am a covenant keeper and a covenant daughter.

When I go to the temple, when I go to church, when I go to a movie, when I go, I need to remind myself that I am. A covenant daughter of my Heavenly Father. And I can say that now because I understand more fully what that is. Yeah, I love that. Me too. Thank you Sharon. Mm-hmm. I really liked our discussion about elder Keans two minute clip because the thought came, what would you say to somebody who had a, a scorpion sting?

And I love how you guys shared, hear him and obey what he says and how easy it is to get casual. I mean, that was a great discussion. And then of course, Kim, the more we listen and obey, the Holy Ghost will lead the way. That was so great. There's so much meat in these first, there's so much meat. I mean, then I'm going back to Sharon, like pay attention to the details.

I just thought there's so much, you're like, I'm not detail oriented. Oh, that's so good. There was so much. Thank you. Thank you for coming so well prepared. I love you too. Wow. That was awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you both of you. Okay, well, what eternal truth did you learn? What is gonna stick with you throughout this week?

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