35: "Receive of His Fulness" (Doctrine and Covenants 93)

Tammy 0:00
Light. Now, what immediately popped into your mind when you heard that word? I'm gonna say it again. Light. Was it a light bulb, a flame, something really bright, maybe a candle on a cake, a lamp, or stars, or maybe something entirely different? I want to know what you thought of. Today's study of Doctrine and Covenants Section 93 is entirely about light, which is doctrinally significant. And you may remember last week, we talked a lot about Section 93. And then the week before that, Michael Wilcox joined us and he talked about this section. And I love what he said when he's mentioned that Section 93 is equal in displaying Joseph Smith's highest level of speaking with the prophetic voice, which I will add, is the voice of light.

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Now here's my favorite thing about our study group, is each week we're joined by two of my friends, so it's always just a little bit different. And today we have Sharon Staples. Hi, Sharon.

Sharon Staples 1:31
Hi Tammy. Hi everyone out there. Happy listening.

Tammy 1:34
Oh, and how excited are we, Sharon, to introduce Katrina Maxton all the way from Scotland. Hi, Katrina!

Katrina Maxton 1:42
Hello, hi. Lovely to be here. And I'm excited and looking forward to doing this with you.

Tammy 1:50
Katrina has been a longtime listener. And we have become quick, fast friends over the internet and we've talked and seen each other and I was just like, we gotta have Katrina on! This is so much fun. Katrina, where do you live in Scotland?

Katrina Maxton 2:01
I live in a place actually near Arbroath, which is beside Dundee, the city of. So quite a small village that I live in. Lees Mill is the name of my village.

Tammy 2:15
If you're wondering, she does live in a cute little cottage, among other cute little cottages. When you showed me where you lived. I was like, like a postcard. I want to live there.

Katrina Maxton 2:25
It's not handy for shops, no shops in my village.

Tammy 2:29
How far do you have to go to get groceries?

Katrina Maxton 2:31
Um, just to buy three minutes up the road. It's not far, but we have to get in the car to get there.

Tammy 2:38
That's not bad,

Sharon Staples 2:39
Sweet to not have any shops in your village. Oh, that's wonderful. I want to live there.

Katrina Maxton 2:44
Oh, come. You're welcome.

Sharon Staples 2:47
Thank you.

Tammy 2:49
I think by the time we're done with this, we're going to have a tour group who's going to want to go and visit Katrina in Scotland.

Katrina Maxton 2:54
Oh, I'll have y'all in a minute.

Tammy 2:57
Ah, we would love it. Okay, well, for those of you who want to know more about my guests and see pictures of them and read their bios, you can find those in our show notes at ldsliving.com/sundayonmonday. Okay, before we actually jump in, I just want to give this intro, that the purpose of Section 93 is found in verse 19. Sharon, will you read verse 19 for us.

Sharon Staples
You bet.

19 "I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fullness."

Tammy 3:33
That is the purpose of today's discussion. And the title for Section 93 is "How and what to worship." And so ladies, as you were reading Section 93, did you see the truth in that verse?

Sharon Staples 3:45
Well, I did. For me this section, as I said to Tammy earlier, is a walla-palooza, meaning that it is off the charts, it is so significant. But I learned so much. I'm so impressed with this section. It's just outstanding, it has so much in it.

Katrina Maxton 4:02
Um, I just felt that I just loved some of the concepts and the deep doctrine that's a part of this section. I love the idea of how we are to worship. And I know that for some of you listeners, you may be asking the same question - what do we do to worship? And hopefully we'll be able to answer some of that today.

Tammy 4:27
Oh, absolutely. Thank you both of you. Okay, so grab your scriptures, friends, and let's dig in. I'm going to show you two a picture and I want you to tell me what you know about this person.

Sharon Staples 4:38
Well, it's a picture of the Savior. And I think one of the questions you asked earlier - not on the podcast, but was as we were talking - how the Savior has helped me in my life? And the answer was, He is my life. I can't imagine life without Him, His influence, His love, everything He did for me. I want to know more and more and more about him. But He is my life.

Tammy 5:08
Beautiful answer, Sharon, thank you.

Katrina Maxton 5:09
Um, as I see the picture in front of me, I just think of pure love. Um, He is my friend and I know that He walks me through this life, and He loves everyone just the same. We're all equal, you know, we're all equal. We're all the same, well there's no one above anyone else. And He exemplifies that for us. And His, the way that He taught people and the way He communicated with people is just pure love to me.

Sharon Staples 5:46
Amen!

Tammy 5:47
Yeah, absolutely Amen. I'm curious to know, Katrina, is there anything that stands out in a way, like, how have you come to know him throughout your life?

Katrina Maxton 5:54
That's a really good question, Tammy. I've come to know Him best through my prayers being answered. I know that He answers my prayers every day. I feel Him in my heart and in my mind. I know that He's in the scriptures when I when I look for Him, He's there. I know that He loves me, personally, through me trying to find and search Him. And He's never let me down. He's always there.

Tammy 6:29
Great way to explain that.

Sharon Staples 6:31
What about you? What, when you see that, what do you?

Tammy 6:34
Oh. Well, I'm already getting emotional about it because I, I just know He loves me, so much. And I have come to know Jesus Christ, like Katrina said, through my prayers, and through following Him. I've always been like, a really obedient kid. I've always wanted to make sure that I made my parents happy, that I make Heavenly Father happy, that I make Jesus happy. And the thought of not doing that always kind of as a kid made me sad, even though I made mistakes, because we all are going to sin and all of that. But the feeling that I felt after repenting - and I've shared this before on the podcast - but the feeling I had when I came out of the bishop's office, you can't explain it any other way than pure love. Just love. I love him. I love Jesus Christ. And that's what I gained out of Section 93 - was just an immense amount of love. So much love.

Sharon Staples 7:35
Absolutely.

Katrina Maxton 7:37
It's a beautiful section to read. The first time I read it, I have to admit, I stumbled over it slightly. Because it doesn't make sense. After reading it today, I read it again today with a prayer. And I felt it. So, I think your understanding of anything is on different levels. But it just felt different reading it. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that. There's, you know that, it's there for everyone to feel that. I'm, read section 93, it's beautiful.

Sharon Staples 8:14
It is.

Tammy 8:15
It is.

Sharon Staples 8:16
Yeah.

Tammy 8:17
And we started out with verse 19, that you may know how to worship and know what to worship. We started with the 'what'. The what to worship is Jesus Christ. And like you said, Sharon, from here on out for the rest of this episode, we are going to be taught how we worship the Savior, according to Section 93. So in the next segment, we're going to dive into the 'how', and we're going to spend an hour talking about how to worship Jesus Christ.

Tammy 8:43
Let's just start out with the how in Section 93, verse 1. Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to read verse 1 out loud, and as I do, will you please mark the five things that we are asked to do in order to worship Jesus Christ. So this is such a cool verse, we're only going to talk about this verse. So grab your highlighters, your pencils, everything. I'm going to read verse 1, and I want you to Mark - I found five things, maybe there's more - we'll see what you guys come up with. Here we go.

1 " Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am."

What did you guys mark in that verse?

Sharon Staples 9:29
Go ahead, Katrina.

Katrina Maxton 9:31
All of it. (laughters)

Sharon Staples 9:34
Right, right.

Katrina Maxton 9:36
I marked every single thing because I just think that's it. That's your recipe. Right there.

Sharon Staples 9:43
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I did try to jot down the five things which are: forsake our sins, come unto Him, call upon His name, obey Him, and keep His commandments. And in addition to all that, the promise at the end: to 'see my face and know that I am.' It doesn't get any sweeter than that.

Katrina Maxton 10:05
No, that is just beautiful.

Tammy 10:11
It's such a tender verse.

Katrina Maxton 10:13
It really is. I thought that obedience is just, it's something we all struggle with to a certain degree. I mean, I wish I could do better. But you know, I know that we are trying, I am trying. I've always tried to be obedient. And I think it's something that we learn and develop. And we grow, we grow into, so it might seem daunting to look at, but then simplify it in my brain. We're talking about the Savior here. He's willing to extend His love, that pure love as we try.

Tammy 10:54
Yeah. Katrina, that was such a great comment about obedience. I especially like that you focused on the word 'try', like if we just try. That was, that's important. So thank you for bringing that up. Okay, so let's look at some of these things in verse 1, because it's really interesting how some of them have definitions to them. So here's what I want us to do. If you have a journal, make a list.

Number one, you'd put forsaketh his sins. Number two, cometh unto Christ. One of the main ways that we can come unto Christ is through our covenants. And then we have, calleth on his name. One of the scholars I was reading said, "We seek His power and authority in our lives the minute we call on His name." And Katrina, you had said that that's how you've come to know Christ is through your prayers. And that is calling on His name. You seek His power and authority to help you and to answer your prayers. And so you're doing that. And then four is obeyeth His voice. And there's so many ways, what are some of the ways that we hear the Lord's voice? What are some of the mediums?

Sharon Staples 11:53
Most through the Holy Ghost.

Tammy 11:55
Perfect, yep. Holy Ghost, what else?

Katrina Maxton 11:58
Well, through the podcast.

Tammy 12:01
Sure, I'll take that.

Katrina Maxton 12:01
Through the podcast, I feel the spirit. I mean, I've laughed with the podcast, I've cried with the podcast. But I honestly have stood in a field and felt the spirit. Only Christ can have you feel like that. I mean, it just is such a powerful testimony to me that He'll, He's everywhere. He's, He's all around you. And we just need to be in the right places at the right times - the temple.

Tammy 12:34
Yep. Well, and as you said the podcast, the only reason it works is because we're studying the scriptures. And that's for sure one of the mediums for hearing His voice is through the words of Christ, the scriptures. I just thank you for bringing that up, Katrina. And then every six months. What's another way that we're hearing His voice?

Sharon Staples 12:50
General Conference

Tammy 12:51
Yeah, perfect, through Conference. And then the last one is keepeth my commandments. Now we, there's such a cool quote by Spencer W. Kimball about this verse. So I want us to read this. And Katrina, can you read this quote for us.

Katrina Maxton 13:05
"I have learned that where there is a prayerful heart, a hungering after righteousness, or forsaking of sins, and obedience to the commandments of God, the Lord pours out more and more light, until there is finally power to pierce the Heavenly veil, and to know more than man knows. A person of such righteousness has the priceless promise that one day he shall see the Lord's face and know that He is."

Tammy 13:41
As you read that quote, Katrina, it made me think about your comment earlier about obedience and how important that is in all of this. And it just ties in so perfectly, especially with me as a little girl who just wanted to be so obedient. But it's really hard to be that, right?

Sharon Staples 13:58
Well, and I think that just says what verse 12 says, that the Savior didn't receive the fullness at first. So you're working on being obedient, He was working on being obedient. We're all working on being obedient. And then we can receive the grace for grace that that talks about, which is the empowering power of the Savior. So I think what you just said, Katrina is what verse 12 tells us, is that we will not receive the fullness at first. But if we keep working at it, you know, day by day, then we will be able to, with His grace, with His grace we will be able to receive the, His fullness,

Tammy 14:40
Well, Sharon, I'm so glad you brought that verse up, because in the next segment, we are going to talk about the specifics of that verse and what that looked like in the Savior's life. So we'll do that in the next segment.

Tammy 14:55
Okay, Katrina, we're going to start out this segment totally different than what I planned because you said something before we started recording, and it is perfect for this segment. So will you tell us again what you wrote to the outside of verse 1, and how you feel like the Savior grew up or what He did to become Jesus Christ.

Katrina Maxton 14:57
I just said that Jesus Christ teaches us how He worships His father.

Tammy 15:19
And what verse do you have that next to?

Katrina Maxton 15:20
Um, I really just put it in as a little note against "forsaketh his sins, cometh unto me, calleth on my name, obeyeth my voice. I mean, He did everything. I mean, He must have made mistakes, right? He would have repented. He's not, He wasn't inhuman. He was human.

Tammy 15:43
Ah, Katrina! You're so inspired. That's great, because that is exactly the message found in verses 12-14. Okay, we have to read this quote by Lorenzo Snow, as he talked about how the Savior grew up.

Katrina Maxton 15:57
"When Jesus lay in the manger, a helpless infant, He knew not that He was the Son of God, and that formerly He created the air. When the edict of Herod was issued, He knew nothing of it; He had not power to save Himself;" (and his guardian and stepfather, and mother) "had to take him and flee into Egypt to preserve Him from the effects of that edict. . . . He grew up to manhood, and during His progress, it was revealed unto Him who He was, and for what purpose He was in the world. The glory and power He possessed before He came into the world was made known unto him."

Tammy 16:44
Wow.

Katrina Maxton 16:46
So he had the veil put over his eyes the same as we did, we did.

Tammy 16:51
Yeah.

Katrina Maxton 16:53
This is just dawning on me.

Tammy 16:56
Tell me your thoughts. Like, yeah, you're totally right. He had a veil.

Katrina Maxton 17:01
I'm just, I'm not surprised, really, when I think about it, but I just never thought of it in that way. He would have a veil, it makes better sense actually.

Tammy 17:14
Yeah, well, it makes your comment more powerful.

Katrina Maxton 17:17
But it also, He had to live. He had to live it, too. He had the veil.

Tammy 17:26
Grace for Grace.

Katrina Maxton 17:27
Grace for grace. So that's making it all more, much clearer to me now that I know that; it's amazing.

Tammy 17:36
And we have these verses 12 through 14 that shows us how He was raised, and how He came to be the Savior of the World. I just love these verses. Here's what's so cool about these verses. These are the only verses in Scripture that give us any indication of the Savior's childhood. There is nothing written about His childhood, because people always wonder, was He born perfect? And look what Section 93 teaches about us. This is so cool. So Sharon, will you please read verses 12 through 14?

Sharon Staples 18:03
You bet I'm happy to because I love these verses.

12 "And I, John, saw that he received not of the fullness at the first" (this is John talking about the Savior,) "but received grace for grace.

13 "And he received not of the fullness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fullness;

14 "And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fullness at the first."

Tammy 18:29
Now, why do you love those verses?

Sharon Staples 18:32
Well, it's like Katrina said, it teaches us, well, first of all, grace for grace. And we need to understand that grace is the empowering, enabling power from the Savior, from God, that allows us to continue on in our trying to reach the fullness of joy as He did. And He didn't receive it at first, and that gives me hope that my trudging day after day, keeping my covenants, going to the temple, reading my scriptures, that with him with the Savior and with the Father, both of them, well, and with the Holy Ghost, that they will empower me, then to do even better. I can become a better person, I can become more obedient; I can become more faithful; I can be more loving, more caring.

I can reach out to more people. It just empowers me with all of the beautiful principles of the gospel, that I need to have a fullness of joy as the Savior had the fullness of joy. And that's what I get out of those scriptures is that hope for me and - like you said, a better understanding - of how the Savior gained His sense of obedience and His mission by the Father, offering the Savior His grace.

Tammy 20:00
Yes, for me there is nothing finer or better than a teacher who you trust knows exactly what they're talking about. When you can go - I've had a few professors in my life that I have felt that way - like, whatever they say, I believe, because they have paid the price to know. And now if we take that and put it on this, the Savior, I mean, when He tells us, here's how I want you to worship, it's because it worked for him. He's the best to explain and teach us how to worship because He worshipped the same way.

So when we're, when we're learning in these verses that He received grace from grace and grace to grace, like, the beauty in that, first of all, is the word grace. That there's so much love involved in the learning process. It's not so didactic, where you do wrong and you're going to burn. The fact that we're using 'grace for grace'. I don't know, my mind is swirling. Tell me some of your thoughts about the wording He uses for us to learn about Him.

Katrina Maxton 20:59
You know, my thought here was when I went to serve a mission. And having only been a member for a couple of years, I really knew, I wasn't wise, I wasn't a scriptorian by any stretch. I went off on that mission filled with faith. And I knew that Christ would give me what I needed to serve that mission. How did I know that? Because He, He told me in a dream that He would. He told me that He would give me what I needed. And every time I opened the page, the scripture that I needed for a particular lesson was there in front of me. And He taught me something pure and simple, that we don't necessarily have to be learned to understand the spirit. Because the spirit will teach you; His enabling power, His grace can teach you and give you what you need.

Katrina Maxton 22:07
He gave me what I needed for my mission. I didn't have met very much; I didn't have a background in the church. I didn't go through primary; I wasn't a young woman. I went out and it still surprises me to this day that I did that. I was, I had more faith then than I do now, I think. But maybe I was just crazy, but I just, I went on my mission. And I relied upon the Savior, at every turn. He taught me line upon line, precept upon precept, here and there a little. And eventually, you know, when I finished my mission, I felt like I had done everything I could for Him. And it wasn't necessarily the, a polished mission. But it was raw. And it was, it was me. And all He needed was me. All He has to work with is us. And He will.

He will give us grace at every turn in our road, in any road we're in. It doesn't matter if we're going to serve a mission or going on a new job. There's always stepping stones, right? And He will take you where you need to be.

Tammy 23:24
Katrina, I feel like we all need to hear more about your story. So tell us how old you were when you joined the church?

Katrina Maxton 23:31
27.

Tammy 23:33
And so how old were you when you went on your mission?

Katrina Maxton 23:35
I got special permission to serve a mission to about, less than two years later, so I was 29. I celebrated my 30th birthday in the mission field. I felt like an old granny. I did. Honestly, when you see these fresh-faced missionaries, and you're, you know, in your 30s, I was 30 years old. So yeah.

Tammy 24:04
Never been married.

Katrina Maxton 24:06
No.

Tammy 24:06
You know what? That right there, that's enough grace. I think you're, I think you're done. Can we just call it for Katrina and say, Heavenly Father, like? That's some grace.

Sharon Staples 24:14
I'm really glad that you shared that, Katrina, because I did not have the faith that you had when I went on my mission, I was so homesick. I don't even think I thought about the Savior for six months, you know. So to hear you talk about turning your life and your mission and your faith over to Him is really strengthening to me and I really appreciate, a) that you were willing to serve and, b) that you served in such a way that the Savior was the prominent person on your mission and not your homesickness wars, what kind of food you'd want to eat, or how the people were, and you know, or if you were speaking the right language. I mean, you, that's just a beautiful story. And I really appreciate your sharing it. I, I almost want to go on a mission again and have that experience.

Tammy 25:07
Yeah. I totally agree with Sharon, like, knowing your story gives more power to your words about Christ and grace. So you know what, thank you. Thank you for sharing that, Katrina. Well, for those of you who have been listening to this incredible discussion about grace for grace, or grace to grace, and are wondering, what does that look like in your own life, we just have to read this quote by President Lorenzo Snow. I love how he described what this looks like for us today in the lives we live. And Sharon, can you read this quote for us?

Sharon Staples 25:36
Certainly.

"Do not expect to become perfect at once. If you do, you will be disappointed. Be better today than you were yesterday, and be better tomorrow than you are today. The temptations that perhaps partially overcome us today, let them not overcome us so far, tomorrow. Thus, continue to be a little better day by day. And do not let your life wear away without accomplishing good to others, as well as to yourself." That's from Lorenzo Snow.

Tammy 26:11
I just love the way he puts that.

Sharon Staples 26:13
That's amazing.

Katrina Maxton 26:14
I like that.

Tammy 26:16
No mention of perfection, just be a little better.

Sharon Staples 26:18
Yeah, just be a little better.

Tammy 26:20
Don't let, when he says "don't let them overcome you so far, tomorrow", like they might try to overcome you. And they might win, but don't let them win as much tomorrow as they did today. Powerful stuff.

So we just had, I mean, I loved our discussion on this about grace for grace. And here's what we need to know about this, is that grace for grace is a principle of progression. This whole idea of grace for grace, it's about God revealing to us who we are, and for what purpose we are here in the world. And this idea of being just a little bit better? It's, I think it's really about taking the gifts we've been given. And then in service, or grace, to others, we use them to benefit God's children. And then I think we can be blessed or given grace.

And when we show or give grace, we are given in return. That's the law of restoration right there and Alma teaches that. So it's so cool, because I think what we're learning here in this section is that the Savior showed it. And He showed that it could be done, because He did it. And He did it so perfectly. That then He will become the Savior of the world. And He will receive power. And so you're going to love the next segment, because we are going to see the significant role that one word can play in the quest for us to be a little bit better, or rather, in our quest for grace.

Tammy 27:42
Okay, ladies, so this was fun for me to think about with regards to the both of you, because you are both converts. So here's what I want to know. And you can think back to when you joined the church, or you can just think to anything in your experience with learning. But how do you know something is true?

Sharon Staples 27:58
Well, for me, it's that, "Aha!" experience. Having been a teacher, and teaching all kinds of things in college, you look into a person's eyes. And when you give a principle or an idea or something, you can tell that they're having an aha experience. It radiates from their eyes, they know that it's true. They say, I knew that. And it was, it's been the same experience for me whenever I learned a new concept, a new principle, a new idea, read a new scripture, whatever. I would have the aha experience. And for me it was - now that I look back - it was a revelatory confirmation from either the Savior or the Holy Ghost or one of the Deity that said, "Okay, pay attention to this Sharon, because it's true." And that's what I would have is this aha, revelatory experience?

Tammy 28:56
What about you, Katrina? How do you know something's true?

Katrina Maxton 28:59
I, I feel it, I feel it. And it's like a light bulb that comes on into my mind, into my heart. I've had some of my own - but Shannon mentioned that here - that when someone else, when you're teaching someone a principle and you know that they have felt something true. That is a feeling you don't get day to day, it'd be nice if you did, but that's an amazing. We have, having the gospel, we have so much truth. You know, we don't have to look that far to find truth because we have so much of it.

And every principle that you can share with anyone, when I share that with people - they've no concept. I didn't have a concept, that we we actually came from somewhere. And that's a, that's a really quite a profound thing for someone to hear, that you are actually telling them - especially here in Scotland - that you know what? You lived before you came here. And it really is Revelatory, I can't say the word. And because they know, they feel it. And you'll see that that's the spirit you're feeling, telling you that it's true. And I think we do need to share these truths with people. Because like me, I didn't know and until someone told me, I would still be none the wiser. And I'd still be out there battling goodness knows what.

Tammy 30:39
Well thank you, both of you for sharing how you know something is true. Because there are some significant truths that are going to be taught to us from here on out. I mean, we've already learned so much. And going back to what you said Katrina, the verse about knowing where we came from before we were born. If you look at that, let's just highlight verses 21-23. This is really cool. This is the very first real indication in the Doctrine and Covenants of a pre-mortal existence.

So Katrina, you were saying, teaching that to people in Scotland is profound and revelatory. It is right here in 1833 when Joseph Smith received this revelation - I can only imagine - he's like, Well, wait, what-what? We existed before we were born? And the saints who are hearing this for the first time who may have never believed, that are hearing this truth. And that is, that truth is what compelled people to follow Joseph Smith. I believe that truth is what had people put together handcarts and come across the plains. That is the truth that causes people to save all their money so they can go to the temple in their country.

It is amazing what truth can do, and how profound that word is when it comes to us, receiving grace for grace. And so let's just look right here. In fact, verse 23, Katrina, will you read that for us.

Katrina Maxton 31:56
23 "Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the spirit of truth;"

Tammy 32:04
And now look at verse 24. Sharon, will you read that for us.

Sharon Staples 32:07
24 "And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;"

Tammy 32:16
Like, highlight that definition of truth. As we are learning things, we are gaining a knowledge of things as they are, as they were, and as they are to come. And I just have to say - Sharon, we can share this - we had a really unique experience with this word today in our Hebrew class. And our teacher taught us something really cool about the word 'truth' in Hebrew.

Sharon Staples 32:36
Yes, and the transliteration of the word, it's 'emet'. But in Hebrew, it only has three letters instead of the four. But they are, it's spelled with an Aleph, which is the beginning of the alphabet - which is the beginning - and ends with the Tav - which is the end

Tammy 32:55
of the Hebrew alphabet.

Sharon Staples 32:56
And the, the 'mem' in the middle is 'in the middle'. And so truth is the beginning, the end, and the middle, which was kind of impressive, I thought, you know, from one little Hebrew word, the beginning, the middle, and the end.

Tammy 33:10
The way you spell it is that verse, verse 24. And so we're going to learn so much truth. And then we asked our Hebrew teacher, what do you think about verse 25? And it says, and whatsoever is more or less than this, and this is the spirit of truth. That's what this means. So whatsoever is more or less than the Spirit of Truth is of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning, that Satan will try to twist truth, that he will try to take what is the spirit of truth and add on or take away. And it becomes our responsibility as disciples of Jesus Christ to have the experience you both shared: to be able to determine what is truth, to feel the truth.

Sharon Staples 33:51
Not only that, but in verse 24, it says, "and truth is knowledge of" all those things. And I've learned reading somewhere - I can't remember where it was - that that Satan has knowledge. He has beaucoup knowledge, but he doesn't have wisdom.

Tammy 34:07
Oh, yeah. We're going to talk about that. I remember you told me that, and I love it.

Sharon Staples 34:10
Yeah, he doesn't have wisdom. So he has knowledge. I mean, he knows how things work; he knows how we work. But he doesn't have the wisdom of truth, and of grace, and of the fullness of joy. He doesn't have any of those things. So he's toast.

Katrina Maxton 34:26
And I've got something here. It says here that there are so many counterfeits of light, light. And there's a there's a verse in John 8:12. I don't know if you want to have a look at that. But yeah, he can counterfeit light.

Sharon Staples 34:43
Las Vegas. (sigh) Las Vegas is counterfeit light. If you drive into that city at light and it's lit up ? whew!

Tammy 34:47
Counterfeit. And he will counterfeit truth. But we have to remember verse 26, the Spirit of Truth is God. And it just is, and you have felt it and you know it. And pay attention to those feelings because it is that one word that is going to aid us in this whole process of grace for grace and grace to grace. And that's what I've loved about the importance of truth. So as you've studied, as you are studying Section 93, and you're studying all of this truth, and then how great is verse 28! We're going to end this segment with 28. And it's going to lead us into the next segment. Sharon, will you please read that verse.

Sharon Staples 35:28
28 "He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth of all things."

Tammy 35:38
Now there's a recipe for knowing truth. Couple of recipes in this segment, huh? For sure knowledge.

Sharon Staples 35:46
I can't imagine knowing all things. I mean, the Savior did and and our Heavenly Father does and the Holy Ghost does. And they learned, you know, line upon line, precept upon precept. But to know all things? I probably can know all things spiritually sooner than I can know them secularly, things of the world you know. But I'm, it's easier, it's going to be easier for me to know all things spiritually if I stay on the path, you know, if I keep my covenants; if I go to the temple; if I do the things Heavenly Father's asked me to do and I keep His commandments. Then, eventually, perhaps I will know that. But to know all things of the world? I, uh, hello. Not gonna happen.

Katrina Maxton 36:31
I think it's about it's being steadfast, isn't it?

Tammy 36:35
Definitely is.

Katrina Maxton 36:37
Steadfast and keeping the commandments.

Tammy 36:39
Yep. I actually drew a line at the end of verse 28 because I felt like, I gotta breathe. Like, whew, there is so much like, I just got to take a breather now because to know all things through keeping the commandments, to receive truth and light. Because the next couple of verses are so deep and filled with so much philosophy and philosophical beauty that I had to ask Sharon help me teach it. So Sharon, you're up in the next segment. There is so much goodness in these verses, I was exhausted at the end of 28. So in the next segment, we're gonna have a really great discussion about verses 29-39.

Tammy 37:25
Okay, before we start the next segment, I just want to check in. How are we all feeling about everything so far?

Katrina Maxton 37:31
These next ones that you're going to teach us about, I'm so glad you are because I don't really understand it.

Tammy 37:39
Okay. This is perfect. That's a great setup, Katrina; I think a lot of people feel the same way about these verses. So I've asked Sharon to help us teach this because it is overwhelming. I mean, there is so much in this section. Last week, our guest Stacy, she did such an incredible job of explaining verses 29-31. So those of you who did not have a chance to listen to it, go back, it is so worth it. But she talked to us about these three verses. And and I talked to Sharon about it, too. And we had a great discussion. But I'm just excited for Sharon to teach us more. So hit it, Sharon.

Sharon Staples 38:13
Okay, for starters, Section 93 talks about Intelligences - that will be beings, that will be us - and Intelligence. That's the understanding and reasoning and knowledge that we gain as human beings here upon the earth. Those will be talked about interchangeably as I discuss Section 93. Okay, to start off with, we'll talk about intelligences. And from my understanding from the research that I've done is that as intelligences, we have always existed. We were, we are, and we will be.

So we have always existed as intelligences. God took our intelligences and created in us our spirits - the spirit of light and truth. So we know that God took the elements which are matter, and created in us our spirits and we became spirit children with Him and with our Savior in the pre-mortal existence.

Elder Talmage says to us about this, that, and I'm quoting from him, he says,

"Intelligence therein referred to as an attribute of Deity is spiritual light and truth; and that man" (or woman) "may attain to a measure of this exalting truth and light is thus made certain." So when we look at intelligence, our ability to think, our ability to reason, that is a little different than intelligences, which is who we are - we were, we are, and we always will be.

And Truman Madson tells us, and this is quoted in Stephen Harper's "Making Sense of the Doctrine and Covenants", and this is what Truman Madsen say, he says: "Section 93 defines beginningless beginnings", my finite mind cannot wrap around that concept of beginningless beginnings. But he goes on to say, "not only does section 93 define beginningless beginnings, it defines interrelationships of truth, of light, of intelligence, of agency, of element, of embodiment, of joy."

Okay. Further, a fellow by the name of LaMar E. Garrard said, "We infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos, chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed." I think that's significant. They may be organized and reorganized, which is what Heavenly Father did when He created the earth, and when He created our spirits, that cannot be destroyed. These elements had no beginning and can have no end. That's another infinite principle that I do not understand. I cannot put my head around something that that always was, that is, and that will be.

And I remember 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, when they shot off one of the missiles out into space. And Carl Sagan at the time said, "This missile will keep going, and never stop." But that's what we're talking about here. The universe never stops, matter never stops, element never stops. We, as created sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father, with our spirits in our bodies, when we are resurrected, will never stop. I mean, you'll have to try that on for size for yourselves, brothers and sisters. And also in Hebrews 12:9 it states that God is the father of our spirits. He created us spiritually in the premortal life, He organized our spirits.

And those spirits are - consist of - truth and light. And when we talk about truth, this is the kind of truth that all other crude truths come under, meaning it's truth with a capital T. And we learn that all truth is knowledge of things as they are, as they were, and as they are to come. So not only as intelligences were, we are, and can be, but truth is an eternal concept. I can't understand that either, because it talks into the infinite. So whenever we learn a truth, and acknowledge it and live it, then then we are accepting light.

And where light is darkness cannot come. And when darkness cannot come, we can add to that light, we can add to that truth, we can add to that knowledge. When we talk about the intelligence of, with a 't', not with an 'ence', we're talking about gaining knowledge. And one thing that I thought was significant is when Joseph Smith said that Satan has knowledge. He has so much knowledge, he just doesn't have any wisdom. He doesn't know how to apply truth.

And so 29-39, I think, tell me that God is in charge. He was, is, and will be in charge, and that He has given us the light and truth that we need to gain the intelligence, to gain the concepts of the gospel, that we can be with Him eternally. So if you want to learn about Doctrine and Covenants 93, I think for me, I needed to, I need to read again and again, and pray about it and try to understand it, and apply the truth and light that Heavenly Father has instilled in me and you, to understand it, and my part in 'it', which is, the 'it' being the fullness of joy of our Savior, so we can be with him.

Tammy 44:40
Thank you, Sharon. That was a great way to explain that. I've never once considered a difference between intelligence and intelligent. Like, that was so good. And I'm glad you took that on. That was really cool. So thank you for sharing that. Now. Let's go back to verse 29, then. Because here's what I think is so interesting about this discussion. So Abraham teaches us that we were intelligences before we were even spirit children, always existed. So Katrina has always been Katrina, you've always been an intelligence. And so then we, God created these spirit bodies for our intelligence to be housed into, to live in.

Katrina Maxton 45:18
I'm relating it to my experience. There was a little boy at church years ago. He had disabilities, he was profoundly disabled physically. And for whatever reason - he was probably about seven years old, maybe nine, seven, between seven and nine -and for whatever reason, the mum was holding him. And I don't know, I asked her if I could hold him. I don't know what made me do it. I don't know, I felt it to do it. And I asked if I could hold him. And she let me hold him. And I'm, I, I felt his spirit. And it was, it brought tears to my eyes. I felt his spirit was just, there's just some, some spirits are just brighter. They're just sublime; they're just not of this world. To be fair, I just felt that of him. I felt he was not of this world. And if we didn't have our tabernacle, we didn't have our bodies, that's what we would communicate with.

Tammy 45:23
Ah, look at verse 35. Katrina, you just said verse 35; read it.

Katrina Maxton 46:31
35 "The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple."

Tammy 46:45
Like our tabernacles.

Katrina Maxton 46:47
Yeah, I can see why these scriptures are trying to teach us that we're all intelligence, but we don't, we're not all the same. We all have different light and truth about us.

Sharon Staples 47:01
But the Prophet Joseph Smith, this is what he said, which I think is so impressive, and it's kind of what you just said, he said, "All spirit is matter. But it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes."

So if we have pure eyes, we can discern the pure spirits of others with whom we come in contact. And like you say they're all different, different levels of purity, or different levels of light. What's amazing to me with verses 29-39, this information is so foreign to, I think anyone who is not reading a) The Book of Mormon or, b) the Doctrine and Covenants. It's, it's doctrine that's almost unbelievable to, to those who don't have the spirit to believe it. And I just think it's amazing; I mean, it's an amazing section, let alone just verses 29-39, of teaching us we were, we are, we will be. And and God is the author of all of that for us. And we can receive a fullness of joy in knowing all of that and performing in ways that would emulate the Savior.

Tammy 48:21
Well, and Sharon, going back to your statement where you said that Satan has knowledge. I mean, he was an intelligence; he was a spirit. He's named Lucifer, son of the morning,son of light. I feel like verse 39 is so profound in that statement, when you said he has wisdom. It says:

39 "And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers."

He knows what he's doing. And he knows how to get the light and truth away from us. And the traditions of our fathers, things that we've just always hung on to that he has tweaked or made us believe. I mean, we've talked about this before, things he's removed from Scripture. I just, he's so knowledgeable. But he's not that wise, because he's not going to win.

Sharon Staples 49:14
Well, not only that, but the tradition of our fathers could be all of those who have not heard about the restoration. And restoration of the gospel is so profound. This was an immense 180 degree turn-around for understanding our Heavenly Father, our Savior, the Holy Spirit, and us as intelligences who have the spirit of light and truth and can gain knowledge of all things, and the fullness of joy if we obey our Heavenly Father - if we obey his commandments and obey our Savior. It's all there for us.

Tammy 49:56
Yes. Any thoughts Katrina, anything?

Katrina Maxton 49:59
You know, I go through the 12 Steps Program; I'm doing it for reasons of changing my behavior, let's put it that way. I'm not really, I've not got any addictions to any of them, but I recommend it so highly for anybody who wants to change your behavior in themselves, any behavior, whatever it is. But there's a man who has got tendencies, and he's got an alcohol problem. And he said that he felt in class - so he's not a member of the church, obviously - he felt that he was born wicked.

Sharon Staples 50:37
Oh, dear.

Katrina Maxton 50:38
And, you know, you can imagine there are some of us members, some of us not, in this class. And, you know, we were trying to help him see that he was born with the Light of Christ. And you think about all the people out there who are floundering and I just, I'm so grateful for the light and the truth that I have. And I need to share that more with people. These small principles will go a long way to help someone realize that, you know, they don't need to be led away by untruths, you know?

Tammy 51:15
Well, and as you both were talking, it just made me go back to verse 24. As we've talked about light and truth that for, it forsakes the evil one, and again, 24 - truth is a knowledge of things as they are, as they were. We talked about our pre-Earth life, as they are to come. What will happen next - Sharon, you talked about, people don't believe anything else will come - but this idea of things as they are. And so in the next segment, we are going to talk about things as they are, and what you had mentioned, Katrina, about the tabernacle, about our bodies. We're going to connect those two in the next segment.

Tammy 51:51
Okay, I just want to jump right into the discussion on verses 42-49 because I think they can be a little overwhelming. And so I kind of want to know your thoughts now going into these verses, what verses did you mark and what stood out to you in verses 40-53? Let's apply them to our house.

Katrina Maxton 52:08
I've got a ton marked. I just loved "I will call you my friends", I have to say, "I will call you friends". But further down, just this idea of pray always. Sometimes I do feel a disconnect at times. And I don't know why that is, I don't know if it's just the the natural man or whatever it is. But I just feel that I need to pray more, more fervently. That wicked one has power over me. And just to see it there, it just makes me concerned, because I have a family that I am concerned about. Are my prayers directed enough that it would help them? And obviously, to put your house in order, you know, there's plenty that I could do to put my home, my house in order and to pray always, just pray always.

Tammy 53:11
I'm wondering if you'd be willing to share with us why these verses about setting your house in order were so profound to you. Would you be willing to share your, your life maybe a little bit about your membership, or the dynamics in your home?

Katrina Maxton 53:25
Well, I, for everyone out there, I am not, I'm married to a non-member. I have two children. Um, I was married quiet late - I was 35 when I got married - had our children quite shortly thereafter. But I've brought two children up in the church on my own. Um, and that has not been easy, but I have done my best. And I think one of the things that I have tried to do is to help my children recognize the spirit. That's one of my main things that I want to do with my children is to, for them to recognize that when they go to the temple - it's the spirit that you feel, that's the spirit you're feeling.

And but one thing I will say is one of my children has since left the church. She left about a year and a half ago now. And it took me a long time to get over it, it really did. It was like a bereavement that just went on and on. I think there was not a Sacrament meeting that I went to that I didn't cry. I just cried and cried and cried. But one of the things that I can honestly say, that I wish I told her - and for anybody listening - I didn't tell my daughter enough that Christ loved her, no matter what she did, that Christ loved her.

And if I could go back, and you can't, but you know, I wish that I had done more to help her recognize that in her life, that it didn't matter. Because I know that my daughter tried to overcome certain things that she found really difficult in her life. And because she couldn't, because she thought, you know, I can't keep repenting, I can't keep doing the same old, same old. Um, and, you know, I think it's, we need to be clear with our children that they can repent, that this is the gift of repentance, and that we need to remember that at all times, that it's a saving gospel. And that our children can be, will be saved, they will be saved; I know she's accounted for. And it took me a long time to recognize that and accept that she is accounted for. She's not lost, not to Heavenly Father, not to the Savior by any stretch. So, yeah.

Tammy 56:00
Um-hmm. I appreciate you sharing that personal experience and story, because I think a lot of parents can relate. And a lot of parents wonder, or even mixed-faith marriages. And when I thought of you a lot when I was reading these verses, because I knew that information about you, and especially when I read verse 43.

"And now a commandment I give unto you---if you will be delivered you shall set in order your own house, and there are many things that are not right in your house."

The use of the personal pronouns in these verses - for me it felt like, maybe it's about us individually, rather than collectively. The Lord loves ambiguity, right? We learned that from Michael Wilcox. So what if the house is referring to us literally, like our tabernacle, which this section references? I mean, sure, there are things that we as parents can probably do better, but I think when the Lord is saying, 'take care of your house', I think He's saying you. And so now what we have to do is just kind of set things an order in our own tabernacle, my body. What am I doing, to make things right with Jesus? And I would love to know from both of you, what are some things that you have done or are doing to fix your house?

Sharon Staples 57:15
Well, I'm reading the scriptures more, to understand how to fix it. And secondly, I'm trying to go to the temple more than I did before COVID and feel of the Spirit there. Because we're promised that we can take that spirit into our homes. And the other thing to set my house in order is in verse 47, where the Savior is chastising the Prophet, that look, you are not doing what you're supposed to be doing. And you're have to be rebuked. And He's talking about the Prophet. And then He says in verse 49, what I say unto one I say unto all. And then He says, "pray always". So that's what I'm trying to do more, is pray always.

Tammy 58:09
What about you, Katrina, what are you doing in your own house?

Katrina Maxton 58:12
So for me, I have to make sure that I'm doing what I need to do. And sometimes that can be, well, I've created a place in my home. And I've also created a place, um, in the, a wee place where I live, it's like a little grove of trees that I go to pray. And I find that the more light that I can put into my body comes through other people.

And so I often - more often than not - reach out to someone every day. And I feel that when by giving someone your light sharing with someone your light, you get their light. So you're serving Christ, but at the same time, you can get so much more from serving somebody else than, you know, maybe feeling sorry for yourself. I can't wait on people reaching out to me all the time, although sometimes I do, but I shouldn't. But you just need to feel that love for people. And as this speeds up, and this gets difficult, the journey, there's a lot more people out there that we need to consider that need our help and support. And we can only do that by reaching out.

Tammy 59:42
Beautiful examples; both of you gave such brilliant answers. As you were both talking, I went back to verse 49. You both have cited that verse and then I looked at the end. The instruction in verse 49 is to pray always less the wicked one has power over you, and removed you out of your place. And I thought, you know what? For those of you listening, for anyone who feels frenetic and that you're not doing enough, and that maybe there's more you should do to help a family member or a friend. Just by praying, you are right where you belong. You are in the right place that God needs you to be to do the work that He needs you to do.

And I just love how you mentioned that, Katrina, by helping others. That's one of the ways you're going to help fix your house and your story and our discussion of this actually reminds me of my friend, HB. So she's been on the podcast before and you guys have heard her stories. When we were young moms, we loved to go and find a good deal. Like we love to go to the DI or the Salvation Army or anything like that. And for those of you don't know what a DI is, here in Utah it's called Deseret Industries. People donate stuff to the DI and you can buy used stuff for real, real cheap.

And what makes me laugh about the stories that, years ago my friend, HB, she was having her floors redone in her home. And the contractor came in and looked at her floors and said, "Okay, what kind of hardwood do you want?" And she was like, "I don't really know." And he said, "Well, what is your style? Or what is your aesthetic? What what kind of feeling do you like here in the house?" And she looked at the guy and said, "My style? Um, I'm I'm gonna have to go with early American DI."

And I laughed so hard when she told me that! "Early American Deseret Industries", because we just, we buy stuff, and we put it in our home, and we're constantly in the process of just fixing and remodeling. But I love that because seriously, think about this, when you remodel, you need help. Like, all of us are in constant process of remodeling. And we need to hire out for somebody to come in and do the work. Like HB had to hire some guy to come in and do her floors. And Katrina, you shared a perfect example of that by going to the 12 step program. Like, I love that so much that you shared that.

There will be times when setting in order our house will be maybe just a nice throw pillow or a new rug. But then there's going to be times when it might involve a complete demolition. And guess what? That's okay. Like God is the General Contractor, building us to what He knows we can become. And this section is all about improving our house, improving us with more light and intelligence. And that's what this whole earth life is about - grace for grace and grace to grace. I mean, there's a great study, if you want to do grace to grace, it's awesome. So just take an opportunity to just sit with that for a minute and think, yeah, how am I, how am I strengthening and building my house? Or what do I need to do? Does it maybe just need a nice coat of paint? Or maybe it needs a major overhaul?

And so I love what both of you said; all of them are answers to how you can fix and rebuild or remodel your home. I'm gonna ask that on social media, because I would love to know how people are fixing their house, and what that looks like for them. But I do believe when you're praying always you are right where you belong. And that then God can use you.

Sharon Staples 1:02:48
Amen, sister.

Tammy 1:02:50
So, thank you. Thank you, both of you. That's the end of our episode - we're done. (sighs) I told you we'd get you done in time for bed, Katrina.

Katrina Maxton 1:02:59
That was the best!

Tammy 1:03:02
Oh, that was so fun.

Sharon Staples 1:03:04
I learned more from Katrina than I did section 93.

Katrina Maxton 1:03:06
Oh, thank you.

Tammy 1:03:07
I would Amen that. Both of you for sure.

Sharon Staples 1:03:10
Thank you for sharing. Thank you.

Tammy 1:03:12
Take a minute, really quick, think of your thoughts. And what did you learn? What, what is your takeaway from this episode today?

Sharon Staples 1:03:18
It was reassuring to me. I was reassured, my testimony was confirmed. My love for the Savior was enhanced. My love for Heavenly Father was enhanced: reading about them and what they've done for us - what they've done for me - and the direction they want me to go, the counsel of how to receive a fullness of joy and to be with them someday. This whole section was so reassuring on, if I follow the counsel in this section, I'm well on my way. And that was so reassuring for me.

Tammy 1:03:59
Wonderful takeaway, what about you, Katrina?

Katrina Maxton 1:04:03
I think my takeaway has to be that the baby Jesus was veiled. And I don't know why I don't know that? Maybe I have known it and I've forgotten it. But it really has been a profound awakening that actually, He was in that manger with a veil across as a wee mind. And that He learned grace from grace as we do; we need to do the same things that He did. And of course, He was a perfect example of that. But you know, we can do it. We've been told what that we can, you know. We've got eternity to do this, thankfully.

Tammy 1:04:50
Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. Those takeaways were incredible; I loved it so much. And I just have to say, Katrina, I don't think I'll ever see the manger scene the same way again. I love your accent so much when you said baby Jesus, and "He was a wee babe". That was so great. Thank you. Thank you. My takeaway was the very beginning when Katrina, you said verse 1 was the recipe for seeing Christ. My brain is still playing on that, because I am not a good baker. I don't really like to follow rules when I make a recipe. I like to kind of maybe add my own flair, or I don't do so well with that. And here we have a full-proof, perfect recipe. And I just think it's incredible because we know it works because the Savior did it. And when you said that, I was like, that's right. He did it. And He got to receive a fullness. So we know it works. And I'm going to always just view that verse that way, the recipe, so that was great. Great discussion today, ladies.

Sharon Staples 1:05:48
Thank you. We love you.

Tammy 1:05:50
Wow, we love you, Katrina in Scotland.

Katrina Maxton 1:05:54
Thank you, my little cupboard.

Sharon Staples 1:05:56
Yeah, well I'm so grateful you have a little cupboard.

Katrina Maxton 1:06:00
I'm gonna have to fill it again. No, that's the only thing.

Sharon Staples 1:06:02
Yeah, well, anyway, so good to be with you, good to hear testimony.

Katrina Maxton 1:06:15
Thank you, it's been great.

Tammy 1:06:05
Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much.

Okay, I want to know what your big takeaway was from this episode, because there was so much. So if you haven't already joined our discussion group on Facebook or on Instagram, go join so you can comment. It's so fun. You can also ask questions throughout the week, anything you're wondering, and we'll answer those. Then at the end of the week, usually on a Sunday, sometimes the Saturday, we will post a call for your big takeaway. So comment on the post that relates to this specific lesson and let us know what you've learned. And I read every single one of them. And I really do and it's my favorite part of Sunday.

So you can get to both our Facebook and Instagram by going to the show notes for this episode, found at LDS Living.com/SundayonMonday. And it's not even a bad idea to go there because you're going to find all the links to the references and the quotes and the glue-ins, as well as a complete transcript of this whole discussion. So go check it out.

The Sunday on Monday study group is a Deseret Bookshelf Plus Original brought to you by LDS Living. It's written and hosted by me, Tammy Uzelac Hall and today our incredible study group participants were Katrina Maxton and Sharon Staples. And you can find more information about these ladies at LDSliving.com/sundayonmonday. Our podcast is produced by Katie Lambert and me. It was edited by Erika Free. It is recorded and mixed by Mix At 6 Studios, and our Executive Producer is Erin Hallstrom.

Thanks for being here. We'll see you next week and you better remember, whatever phase of remodeling you're in.........You are God's favorite.

So it's a, is it eight o'clock at night there?

Katrina Maxton 1:07:42
Oh, I have no idea, I'm in my closet.

Tammy 1:07:45
It's nighttime though, right?

Katrina Maxton 1:07:46
It looks light out there still, but okay.

Tammy 1:07:52
So great.

Katrina Maxton 1:07:54
21:13 is 13 minutes past 9.

Tammy 1:07:59
Oh, yeah, yep. Okay.

Sharon Staples 1:08:01
Am I the only one who isn't in a closet?

Katrina Maxton 1:08:05
I don't know. But it's hot in here.

Sharon Staples 1:08:06
I bet it's hot for you, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah

Katrina Maxton 1:08:10
It's Okay. I should have set up a fan or something. It's OK.

Tammy 1:08:13
Is she hot, are you hot in your closet?

Katrina Maxton 1:08:16
A wee bit hot but I'm fine. Honestly, I'm fine. Yeah. I'll see. If I'm gonna faint, I'll let you know.

Tammy 1:08:24
Okay. I hear ya, sis. The closet is so hot here, too. I'm like, I gotta get a fan under the table. But I can't. (sigh) Yeah.

Transcribed by Jenee Uzelac